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You talked about Type-R heritage in the US. Car enthusiasts are the ones that put value into this section of the market. Doesn't matter if it's Civic or not, we know what Type-R means, and how much the next guy with too much money is willing to pay for that marque. And I brought up other...

Integra Type-R: been in the US since the turn of the century so the Type-R heritage has 20+ years now, and everybody knows that even a decent condition one will get top dollar. But even going outside of the Type-R nameplate, there's still the RSX Type-S, EP3 Civc Si, EM1 Civic Si, and EK Civic...

Yeah. No. This analysis is so off.

Yep. I know someone who paid TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS over MSRP for a ducking base model, zero option CorollaCross. Unfortunately, this person doesn't know a thing about cars, sees them as point A to B appliances, and wanted to get it over with ASAP, so found a dealership that had the soonest...

I just started my search so I’m not familiar with a lot of what’s going on. So dealers that are showing stock other than their white demos are preorders? And ones that confirm availability are either left overs from people that backed out or the dealer got someone internally to be 1 of 200?

Metro looooooooooooooool. They're a known markup dealer network, and price their CTRs up to the stratosphere in their Honda showroom. I'm not surprised they're playing this game on the ITS now that it's out.

Spreen Acura (Riverside, CA) via the sales manager: "other dealerships are charging between $67k -$87k." Chewed Spreen out over e-maill and got personally butt hurt, so never got their price. Safe to say then, most definitely $10k+ markup like the other California dealerships are trying to charge.