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Has anybody watched all of the videos? Have any trends emerged?

Most of the videos I watched called out engine noise, and little else other than price as negatives.
 

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Has anybody watched all of the videos? Have any trends emerged?

Most of the videos I watched called out engine noise, and little else other than price as negatives.
I've watched most of them. Here's the deal....Toyota paid for all these reviewers to come out to San Diego, put them up in a nice hotel, gave them nice meals, and most importantly exclusive access to these 6th gen 4Runners. No one is going to give any harsh criticisms in their reviews. Subtle criticisms, yes, but nothing too negative. They all want to be invited to upcoming Toyota events. I try to keep this in mind as I get super excited about the 6th gen.
 

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I read one of those articles, but I’m not sure I get the confusion. Toyota offers 3 different midsize BOF TNGA-F SUVs. It’s no surprise that the more expensive variants of one line would overlap with the cheaper variants of another model. Doing B&P for my own needs there seems to be some separation in pricing, though that may not be true for every individual.

Of course there’s many differentiating factors among the 3, perhaps looks & powertrain being the biggest. Are the writers just too young to remember when GM would sell you the same car in 4 different wrappers (or the same wrapper with different head & tail lights at best) depending on how much money they thought they could extract from you for the payment? While I appreciate the criticism recognizing that people will cross shop all 3, I can’t say I see it as valid.
 

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They sure didn't want to bite the hands that fed them 🙂 They may even receive a list of "authorized things that can be criticized" before the event 🙂

I've watched most of them. Here's the deal....Toyota paid for all these reviewers to come out to San Diego, put them up in a nice hotel, gave them nice meals, and most importantly exclusive access to these 6th gen 4Runners. No one is going to give any harsh criticisms in their reviews. Subtle criticisms, yes, but nothing too negative. They all want to be invited to upcoming Toyota events. I try to keep this in mind as I get super excited about the 6th gen.
 

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Review: How Does the 2025 4Runner Stack Up to the Original? by TFL





Podcast: After Over A Decade We Finally Get Our Hands On The New Toyota 4Runner! [TFL Talk]

 

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They sure didn't want to bite the hands that fed them 🙂 They may even receive a list of "authorized things that can be criticized" before the event 🙂
Conspiracy Theory Much? . LOL. If Toyota published a list of what the reviewer could and could not say, said reviewer could then blackmail Toyota by threatening to reveal the limits Toyota placed on the reviewer. Come on guys, at some point you have to believe someone is doing an honest job of reviewing a vehicle, even if they say things you may or may not want to hear.
 

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thats not how it works. toyota will just not invite them to future events . passive agressive :ROFLMAO:
 

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thats not how it works. toyota will just not invite them to future events . passive agressive :ROFLMAO:
There would be a lot worse fallout than not being invited to future events if a reviewer revealed to the public that Toyota basically told them what to say in their review. I doubt that Toyota would put themselves in that position. Before the embargo was lifted, the 6 Gen haters were anticipating all the bad reviews that never materialized and now the haters are saying it is because Toyota told the reviewers what they could and could not say. I think the people that just bought a 5th gen not long ago or those that cannot afford the 6 gen or those that can afford the 6th gen but don't want to spend the money, all those folks just spout out stuff that doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I think they are guilty of ..... Confirmation bias (also confirmatory bias, myside bias, or congeniality bias) is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. And full disclosure, I am too. I channel out anything negative I hear about the 6 Gen because I have been waiting for this modernization.
 

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First 2025 4Runner (TRD Off-Road) to go offroading/crawling at Moab, by the TFL guys.

 

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There would be a lot worse fallout than not being invited to future events if a reviewer revealed to the public that Toyota basically told them what to say in their review. I doubt that Toyota would put themselves in that position. Before the embargo was lifted, the 6 Gen haters were anticipating all the bad reviews that never materialized and now the haters are saying it is because Toyota told the reviewers what they could and could not say. I think the people that just bought a 5th gen not long ago or those that cannot afford the 6 gen or those that can afford the 6th gen but don't want to spend the money, all those folks just spout out stuff that doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I think they are guilty of ..... Confirmation bias (also confirmatory bias, myside bias, or congeniality bias) is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values. And full disclosure, I am too. I channel out anything negative I hear about the 6 Gen because I have been waiting for this modernization.
yeah each person has their own opinion. i am ready for a new 4R regardless of the pro's/con's of the new one.

this platinum will be my retirement vehicle. after i pay it off i will be at 62/63 so i can start my retirement from civil service (usaf)

it will have everything i want.

heated steering wheel, heated seats (have that now), better tire psi readings (my current one only say low tire so i have to check each one, which sucks when its -10F and 30+ mph winds, like yesterday), hud (nice but polarized clip on sunglasses dont help), no 3rd row (i optioned my current 4R to specifically not have 3rd row), better tech (this is a big one compared to my current one) such as 360 view, TSS 3.0 (remote start, digital key)

all i need is FT 4WD which my current limited has, but i am trying to convince the wife to downgrade from our tundra platinum to a 4R platinum since she is get tired of parking outside during our horrible winters since the tundra will NOT fit in the garage. she really misses that when she had her tacoma's. maybe this 4R plat will convince her to jump ship, if not its a win either way for her or me. if she jumps to the 4R i can trade her tundra in for a another 4R in silver or red. only reason i am getting a heritage blue is because blue is her favorite color (i prefer silver)
 

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I am about the same age as you and I retired from the Navy in 2003 and I am not far off from retiring from my second career. I might have gotten a Platinum too if there was a dealership selling them at Invoice price near me and I am not waiting for a year with the expectation that these things will be stacking up on the lots. I don't see that happening but I could be wrong. My TRD Sport Premium will be paid for within a few months of me getting it and it too will be my retirement vehicle, as is your Plat. Congrats again on that great deal. I wish I lived in ND for a day. LOL . Too cold up there.
 

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SUMMARY for those that prefer reading

  • 🚗 Off-Road Challenge:
    Mission is to find out which one performs better off-road in Moab's challenging terrain.

  • 🛠 Off-Road Technologies and Features:
    The Land Cruiser and 4Runner are both equipped with off-road essentials, but their approaches differ. The Land Cruiser features a full-time 4WD system with a locking center differential and sway bar disconnect, providing better ride comfort and articulation. The 4Runner, lighter and more nimble, comes with part-time 4WD, multi-terrain select (MTS), and a locking rear differential. Both vehicles feature advanced off-road modes to tackle various terrains.

  • 🔍 Obstacle Breakdown:
    Several obstacles in Moab test the approach and departure angles, ground clearance, and traction of each vehicle:
    • Chin Scratcher: Tests the vehicle's approach and departure angles.
    • Frame Bender: A steep descent that challenges traction control.
    • One Tree Hill: A steep climb where traction and wheel articulation are critical.
    • The Wall: The ultimate test, combining steep inclines and declines, approach angles, and undercarriage protection.
  • 🔧 Tires and Ground Clearance Analysis:
    Both vehicles use tires sized at 265/70R18 but differ in performance due to tire brands and designs. The 4Runner has Falcon tires, while the Land Cruiser uses Michelins. The Land Cruiser’s ground clearance is quoted at about 8 inches, which helps with articulation and protection, though actual measurements can vary based on terrain.

  • 🏁 Performance on Moab's Trails:
    • The Land Cruiser, with its hybrid engine, delivers 326 horsepower and 465 lb-ft of torque, making it powerful and smooth on trails. Its disconnectable sway bar enhances articulation and comfort.
    • The 4Runner, although lacking a hybrid system, provides 278 horsepower and 317 lb-ft of torque, with impressive low-end torque delivery, making it a contender despite its smaller engine.
    • The 4Runner’s lightweight design gives it an edge in terms of nimbleness, particularly on technical climbs. Its slightly shorter wheelbase improves maneuverability, especially on narrow trails.
  • 🛻 Challenges and Damage Assessment:
    • On the “Chin Scratcher” obstacle, both vehicles struggled with their approach and departure angles. The Land Cruiser experienced damage to its rear components, while the 4Runner showed better results due to its higher departure angle.
    • On the “Wall,” the Land Cruiser’s additional weight led to minor undercarriage damage, while the 4Runner had an easier climb but sacrificed a side step due to limited rocker protection.
  • 💬 Driver Impressions:
    The Land Cruiser offers better visibility and seating position due to its upright design, while the 4Runner provides a sportier and more agile feel. The Land Cruiser is praised for its smooth ride, thanks to the sway bar disconnect, while the 4Runner’s precise steering and predictable handling win praise on technical terrain.

  • 📉 Final Takeaways and Recommendations:
    Both vehicles excel off-road, but TFL leans toward the 4Runner due to its affordability, simplicity, and performance in real-world trail conditions. They recommend the 4Runner TRD Off-Road trim without the premium package for budget-conscious off-road enthusiasts and suggest a base Land Cruiser for those willing to upgrade tires and accessories.
Conclusion: while the Land Cruiser offers advanced off-road tech and comfort, the 4Runner’s lighter weight and agility make it a favorite for serious off-roading adventures. Both vehicles remain capable but cater to slightly different off-road needs.​
 

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Adding to the list of reviews.

TFL's 2025 4Runner TRD Off-Road 6th gen towing test vs. Land Cruiser. Tow Haul Mode was used and the 4Runner towed better than the LC!




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Summary
  • 🚗 Introduction of the All-New 2025 Toyota 4Runner
    The video showcases the improved towing capacity of up to 6,000 lbs, tested on the challenging Ike Gauntlet towing route.
  • 🛻 Initial Setup and Towing Conditions
    The towing test involves a 5,500 lb trailer, featuring a Honda Acti K truck, with a Big Tex steel car hauler. The team compares the 4Runner’s performance with the new Toyota Land Cruiser.
  • 📉 Brake Application Analysis
    The team observes eight official brake applications, significantly fewer than the Land Cruiser's 12. Fewer applications indicate better control and reduced brake overheating.
  • 🔄 Performance Stability on Steep Grades
    Despite the shorter wheelbase, the 4Runner maintains impressive stability with minimal trailer sway, thanks to its full-time 4WD.
  • ⚙ Engine and Transmission Overview
    Equipped with a 2.4L turbocharged 4-cylinder engine generating 278 HP and 317 lb-ft torque, paired with an 8-speed automatic transmission, the 4Runner proves reliable for steep hill climbs.
  • ⛰ Efficient Uphill Performance
    Accelerates smoothly with minimal strain while towing the maximum weight. The climb to 11,158 ft was completed in 7:53 minutes—better than the Land Cruiser.
  • 🔧 Vehicle Adjustments for Towing
    The team highlights Toyota’s recommendation for using a weight-distribution hitch for enhanced stability, though they tested without one to gauge performance.
  • 💼 Comparative Insights on Pricing and Features
    The 4Runner’s model is priced around $58,000, comparable to the Land Cruiser. However, differences in features, such as trailer brake controllers, affect practicality.
  • 🛠 Driver Feedback and Interior Features
    Mirrors and instrument layouts are sufficient for this towing test but lack detailed numerical readouts. The cabin remained quiet at around 60 dB.
  • 🌲 Surprising Overall Results
    The 2025 4Runner surpassed the Land Cruiser in brake performance and achieved similar uphill efficiency, proving that it can effectively tow heavy loads when needed.
Insights Based on Numbers
  • 🔢 8 Brake Applications vs. 12: The 4Runner required 8 brake applications compared to the Land Cruiser’s 12 during the downhill test, highlighting its improved braking efficiency and control.
  • 🔢 7:53 vs. 8:13 Uphill Timing: The 4Runner’s 7-minute 53-second uphill climb outperformed the Land Cruiser's 8:13, demonstrating its efficient power and torque balance despite lower output.
 
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