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Just finished watching Throttle House's review of the "all-new" Mustang GT. I personally am not interested in the Mustang but I could easily see some folks would and should consider cross-shopping. The Mustang GT has for years now been incredibly competitive with anything calling itself a sports car, and based off initial impressions it seems that it will continue to do so, also while many of its competitors die on the vine from the heat from the EV sun. It is comforting to see you can still walk into a Ford dealer and order a brand new Mustang with a 6-speed, just like you could for the past 50+ years. Not too many other brands can say that.

But it seems like Ford just basically took what they thought people loved about the Mustang and kind of added to those elements, while ignoring the shortcomings. As Thomas pointed out, what's kept the Mustang from really evolving into a true sports car is the steering. Performance-wise, it's as capable as virtually anything else out there, at least shy of a hundred grand. But what keeps people like me from leaning in more and actually considering it, is that it isn't engineered as a driver's car. Maybe they reserved that focus for the Dark Horse. I do expect that to be very interesting, but it removes it from contention in the ITS budget category as well.

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But my biggest takeaway though is the price. I played around on the configurator, and very quickly and easily jumped into the upper 50s. My final config was at $59k, at which point I would consider the Dark Horse, but with options on that car and inevitable dealer markups, I'd be looking at least at $75k built how I'd want it. At that price it still may be bargain compared to a fully loaded M2 or a CTV4 BW, but I'll wait for impressions on that car when the time arrives- should be soon.

In any case, for all those out there who still try to trash the Type S for where Acura decided to price it, the Mustang starts to pull it all back together and it makes a lot more sense. Cars are just expensive these days, yet people continually prove they're willing to pay for them. Expecting a fully qualified sports car experience maybe even with "a little bit of luxury" for $35k is not remotely reasonable anymore. That ship has sailed.

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Ford is still putting the MT-82 in these unless you get the Dark Horse, which is a no-go for me. The GT performance pack is appealing but that transmission is a dumpster fire. They need to just put the tremec in all of them and call it a day.
 
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Yep, the TH guys called that out. It's really that bad?

It's still setting in that a Mustang GT is now a $60k car. WTF happened?
 

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The Getrag is that bad. To make matters worse it’s a Chinese owned company , and that’s a no go for me. The mustang is also built off a rental car chassis and improved for the higher end cars . The ITS and CTR were built with the sports car in mind and dialed back for the lesser models. I’d take the one overbuilt rather than the enterprise prototype.
 

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The Getrag is that bad. To make matters worse it’s a Chinese owned company , and that’s a no go for me. The mustang is also built off a rental car chassis and improved for the higher end cars . The ITS and CTR were built with the sports car in mind and dialed back for the lesser models. I’d take the one overbuilt rather than the enterprise prototype.
I've had rental Mustangs twice, so put over a week of seat time in them. That's unfortunately killed my interest in them, the seats feel cramped, even in front, and the car just feels like a one-trick pony - you stomp on the gas, it makes loud noises, and that's about it. I enjoyed driving my 2017 Sport hatch more, since it was more comfortable, and so much more nimble.

Maybe I'd like a Mach 1 with Recaros, but usually if I don’t like the base car I won’t like the upgraded one.
 

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Ford is targeting a different group with the Mustang than a more track-focused ITS/CTR owner.

It's a 'go fast in a straight line with a loud V8 fairly cheaply' car. As noted when you add on the handling goodies it approaches $60K quickly.

I will say the interior looks better (yay screens!) and the exterior looks as expected. The Dark Horse looks particularly interesting with Recaros.

In the high $50K's, I would go M240i(x) just for image, larger backseats, optional AWD, sunroof, much smaller footprint, etc. Honestly its biggest negative is the stigma attached to the typical drivers tbh.
 

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The ITS and CTR were built with the sports car in mind and dialed back for the lesser models.
Huh? The ITS & CTR were built on the most mundane, basic chassis there is. The Honda Civic driven by grandmas. You're thinking of a S2000 or NSX...
 
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Huh? The ITS & CTR were built on the most mundane, basic chassis there is. The Honda Civic driven by grandmas. You're thinking of a S2000 or NSX...
You again? Don't you have financial advice to give to random internet strangers?
 

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You again? Don't you have financial advice to give to random internet strangers?
Imagine being on tilt from said stranger, yikes dude. Get a life.

You just posted an essay to group of random internet strangers too... do you miss the irony of that?
 

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Huh? The ITS & CTR were built on the most mundane, basic chassis there is. The Honda Civic driven by grandmas. You're thinking of a S2000 or NSX...
Negative my good friend. When the chassis for the civic is built they build it based on knowing they are making a R version. Don’t believe me ? Ask Savagegeese. The chassis on the civic is excellent. The chassis on the Mustang is garbage …. At best, which is why stickers are made of mustangs running over stick figure families. All 4 corners want to go a different way.
 

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Imagine being on tilt from said stranger, yikes dude. Get a life.

You just posted an essay to group of random internet strangers too... do you miss the irony of that?
Imagine going to a forum to talk incessant shit about the very subject people go to the forum to talk about.

Go away, no one likes you.
 

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I was 100% on board for a Dark Horse with the bad ass Blue Ember paint but Ford jacking the prices up at the last minute completely turned me off. Almost $70k for a non Shelby Mustang is crazy. You can a ZL1 1LE for that kind of money and have a much superior drivers car. Hell you are almost to a base C8 at that price.
 
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I was 100% on board for a Dark Horse with the bad ass Blue Ember paint but Ford jacking the prices up at the last minute completely turned me off. Almost $70k for a non Shelby Mustang is crazy. You can a ZL1 1LE for that kind of money and have a much superior drivers car. Hell you are almost to a base C8 at that price.
What's crazy is $60k for a GT. And you know some people are gonna pay a markup.
 

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What's crazy is $60k for a GT. And you know some people are gonna pay a markup.
Inflation, Civic prices went up a lot too. And now Ford has no muscle car competition.

And they have to make up for losing $10k per EV sold, though fortunately they’re selling very few of those.
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