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Maybe cause Toyota knows ICE has 98% market share?

Corolla GR first choice Type R second (waiting to see production model) Integra Type S (waiting to see production model). Nothing else remotely interests me, but if forced to buy something not on this list I'd probably get the new Si.

I generally prefer comparison tests, cause that forces them to pick a winner, although usually they love every car anyway. When a car magazine subscription costs $1/issue, it’s not the readers paying the bills.

I don't notice that in my Si, nothing like a stock WRX, which feels like it hits a brick wall at 4500 rpm.

I thought that review was stupid. How can you compare two reviews taken years apart, probably different surfaces, different weather - and say 0.2 sec 1/4 mi difference is statistically significant. Ignore that nonsense. Everyone seems to love it so far.

Is this confirmed that the Integra is 7” longer for just cosmetic bumpers, not increased trunk space or something? Cause that’s ridiculous if it’s 7” of bumper thickness.

Edmunds says the 10 gen hatch is 177.9” and Type R is 179.4”. Not sure how you get 4.5”.

Right now the Type R is top on my list especially if they go down to 19s, keep it moonroof free and have the Bose audio. Then it’s pretty much perfect except for the Pep Boys spoiler. I like that it’s 7” shorter but still very roomy with a big trunk. To get the Type S instead it would need...

Cool, I’m not sure the Subaru system works the same since it’s not FWD based, but a rear LSD would sure be nice like on our first gen WRX. That car was so controllable in snow. Cost cutting. I love the LSD in my Si compared to the Sport hatch I had before. Dry, wet, snow, all much better.

And also losing heated seats and variable suspension, I think all three downgrades are to make room for the Integra.

Is someone who wants a 6mT and LSD not going to look at Elantra N, GTI, Corolla GR, WRX? - please don’t say it’s not LSD like the other guy, it’s AWD, doesn’t need a front LSD. I guess we can add Mustang and Camaro since it’s now as big as those cars. I personally don’t want any of those except...

Do you think an entry level Mercedes or Audi buyer knows the weight or the car? Or cares? Yes, the 1.5T and lighter weight will win magazine comparisons but ask Mazda how that translates to sales. I’m here cause I used to love Acura, had a ‘97 GSR sedan before moving on to rear drive BMWs. I...

Its a Civic Si with nicer interior at least in base form. I think it competes with both my list and yours, although Acura probably likes your list better lol. Probably needs a 2.0T to compete with those.

wow I must have struck a nerve to make you create a half dozen straw men to argue with. I just pointed out that the Integra is longer than pretty much all it’s competition. Or are you saying it’s no longer a sport compact, now it’s a GT car?

Right, I don’t get why Hondas have to grow so much every generation. The Civic is already roomy with a huge trunk. Maybe nobody buys the Accord cause it’s huge. Everyone I know who owns an accord drives around by themselves. People who need a ton of space buy SUVs.

Lets see: GTI is 17” shorter than Integra Corolla hatch is 14” shorter Elantra N is 2” shorter Kona N is 20” shorter New WRX is 5” shorter Mazda 3 Turbo hatch is 10” shorter. So no, GR86 is not the only option.

I assumed the 11th gen hatch was longer than 10th gen, but I guess not, although it's probably the lack of front and rear lip spoilers lol.

My Si is already annoyingly long. I liked my Sport hatch better in that respect. There's just too many negatives piling up - 10th gen hatch looks better, but I'm ok with the 11th gen Civic hatch. But the Integra looks worse, costs more and is 5" longer - too many negatives. If I stick with...

I've no interest in an accord, cause it's huge. Mustang is huge but it's got a 6mT V8, so I can excuse it. The Civic doesn't have a V8. If the Integra is really 5" longer than the new hatch, I'm not interested. The Type R is still on the table, as is the GR Corolla.

Just read that the Integra is 1-2" longer than the sedan. That's a show stopper for me, I thought it was shorter like the Civic hatch. Not looking for a stretch limo.