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alex9119
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flare, on the edges. the bumper where the headlight meets and the rear tail light where the bumper meets. the gaps are to tight which makes the panels rub.
sorry i forgot to take photos when i was looking at it.
sorry i forgot to take photos when i was looking at it.
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For the panels not lining up and stuff, I think it's asking too much for a mass produced car. Bolt holes are made larger than the bolt so it's easier to put the car together. Which leads to more variations, and fine adjustments that'll need to be made to make things line up more flush. If any of you ever try bolting on a door, you'll know what I mean when trying to make the latch, and the panel gaps on both side match up. And sometimes different panels of the same panel will be ever slightly different, thus making it impossible to get a 100% flush transition to the other panel. You'll be surprised how not "square" a car is.
Heck, even your hypercars like McLarens have literal metal shims placed between the panel and the body for the panels to line up with each other.
Heck, even your hypercars like McLarens have literal metal shims placed between the panel and the body for the panels to line up with each other.
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optronix
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Just took a good long walk around my Performance Red Pearl ITS, and found zero discrepancies with bumper alignment or paint mismatch. I think the hatch alignment issue that some people have called out is an optical illusion. In any case, no issues on my car.
I do want to call something else I noticed out though. At certain angles, this pearl paint can almost look mismatched, because the angle of reflection is different and there are a lot going on with the lines on this car, and the paint by design has color-shifting properties. Some images that have been shown of pre-production/press cars and even some demo cars have been alarmingly noticeable, but at least from my walkaround today of my car, the issues have either been ironed out or I'm lucky.
I took a few pics of the "problem areas" to see if they stand up to forum scrutiny:
rear hatch:
front bumper- and a good example of what I'm talking about with the reflection angles. See how my foot just sort of shows up out of nowhere in the second pic of the passenger side, just under the headlight? I think that leads some people to think the paint is mismatched. I assure you it is not. At least my eyes can't see it.
rear arches. lots of angles going on back here, in some angles the pieces reflect differently and can almost look like the color is off, but again- it is not.
This angle the sun makes the arch pieces look brighter red than the door handle and even the door:
Another angle, the "tacked on" door piece almost looks like the paint is off here:
Top-down the angles are mostly similar so the color looks all the same.
Overall I think white and tiger eye are definitely the easiest to notice any discrepancies if there are any real ones, and probably easier to imagine ones that aren't there as well. Red, to me, is a good color to "hide" it because it just looks like a different shade in different lighting. Blue probably equally as well. Not sure about the gray/silver colors, silver probably worse than carbon, and black is probably the best if that's something you worry about.
I'm extremely happy with this car, and the color, and I can't wait until I officially pick it up Monday or Tuesday.
I do want to call something else I noticed out though. At certain angles, this pearl paint can almost look mismatched, because the angle of reflection is different and there are a lot going on with the lines on this car, and the paint by design has color-shifting properties. Some images that have been shown of pre-production/press cars and even some demo cars have been alarmingly noticeable, but at least from my walkaround today of my car, the issues have either been ironed out or I'm lucky.
I took a few pics of the "problem areas" to see if they stand up to forum scrutiny:
rear hatch:
front bumper- and a good example of what I'm talking about with the reflection angles. See how my foot just sort of shows up out of nowhere in the second pic of the passenger side, just under the headlight? I think that leads some people to think the paint is mismatched. I assure you it is not. At least my eyes can't see it.
rear arches. lots of angles going on back here, in some angles the pieces reflect differently and can almost look like the color is off, but again- it is not.
This angle the sun makes the arch pieces look brighter red than the door handle and even the door:
Another angle, the "tacked on" door piece almost looks like the paint is off here:
Top-down the angles are mostly similar so the color looks all the same.
Overall I think white and tiger eye are definitely the easiest to notice any discrepancies if there are any real ones, and probably easier to imagine ones that aren't there as well. Red, to me, is a good color to "hide" it because it just looks like a different shade in different lighting. Blue probably equally as well. Not sure about the gray/silver colors, silver probably worse than carbon, and black is probably the best if that's something you worry about.
I'm extremely happy with this car, and the color, and I can't wait until I officially pick it up Monday or Tuesday.
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That is gorgeous! Excited about your observations on fit, finish and the paint matching.
Whether you are lucky or not, or Acura has somehow improved the decades old paint mis-match issue, yours looks good.
You are correct that the paint with high color density (black, red, dark blue) are inherently better at disguising mild paint mis-matches. The fact that Acura choose a fairly high metallic content makes the application of the paint critical. Generally, it is lower light levels and shadowing that emphasizes the issue. The many different curved surfaces can fool the eye, as you point out there are many curved surfaces where the fenders and bumpers meet, so the light will be reflected differently.
I've seen the white and the Tiger eye and they are very noticeable , so much so I wouldn't own one. Obviously the black I saw had a paint match very similar to yours, I hope the blue and gray are similar.
Can you post a closeup of the paint to show the metallic....ideally at a bumper to fender joint? Really encouraged by your car. Thx.
Whether you are lucky or not, or Acura has somehow improved the decades old paint mis-match issue, yours looks good.
You are correct that the paint with high color density (black, red, dark blue) are inherently better at disguising mild paint mis-matches. The fact that Acura choose a fairly high metallic content makes the application of the paint critical. Generally, it is lower light levels and shadowing that emphasizes the issue. The many different curved surfaces can fool the eye, as you point out there are many curved surfaces where the fenders and bumpers meet, so the light will be reflected differently.
I've seen the white and the Tiger eye and they are very noticeable , so much so I wouldn't own one. Obviously the black I saw had a paint match very similar to yours, I hope the blue and gray are similar.
Can you post a closeup of the paint to show the metallic....ideally at a bumper to fender joint? Really encouraged by your car. Thx.
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optronix
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Thanks! I definitely think so too. I was always intrigued by the color but seeing it on the base cars or an MDX or similar I don't think does the ITS justice. Maybe the TLX Type S- I'd seen Apex Blue on other Acuras but it didn't really grab my attention til I saw it on a TLX-S. It looks better than I expected, I am really, really excited about this car.
I will happily snap a pic- when I get the car officially. I just stopped by the dealer today to do paperwork, it arrived yesterday and the accessories still need to be installed.
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^^ We have a PRP A-Spec, and I agree completely with your observations about the color on your new ITS. Ours is virtually perfect in terms of build quality -- probably the best-built new car we've had. The car has many angles and shapes, and the PRP is very "sensitive" to viewing angle and available light. If parts are in the shade and other parts in the sun, it almost looks like two different colors. I'd compare the paint quality and look to a custom paint job from 10 years ago. We're very glad we waited the 6 months last year to get the Red Pearl. When clean and in bright sun, it's mind-blowing for a production car.
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I found some clear coat/paint issues with my car. Not sure if it can be wet sanded down or not, but a real bummer. These are about 6 inches apart on front driver side fender.
Lflouie
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It looks like contamination ( hair or fiber ) in each pic, don't know how to describe the white smudge in pic 1....assume it is in or on the clear coat.I found some clear coat/paint issues with my car. Not sure if it can be wet sanded down or not, but a real bummer. These are about 6 inches apart on front driver side fender.
The fiber/hair appears to have gotten imbeded in paint during spraying bc of the color. This likely means that if it could be removed it would leave an impression (depression) in the paint. If that is correct then the strand is organic and may be removed by sanding ...using great care, patience, and masking the surrounding areas. Even if it can be removed there will likely be some visible defect, bc it appears they are in very visable prominent locations thus it will be a challenge to make it invisible.
If you plan on adding a ppf in this area after the defects are removed, the film may actual reduce the visiblity of the defect bc it tends to "fill" slight defects and smooth the edges so it doesn't reflect the light.
I assume the white dull areas and the scratches just above the defect in pic one can be polished out.
Remember the clear coat on newer cars is very very thin, so it is important to be overly cautious otherwise you could make the area even more noticeable.
Sorry that you have these defects, disappointing on a new car.
optronix
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Thanks for posting this. I would be disappointed as well.I found some clear coat/paint issues with my car. Not sure if it can be wet sanded down or not, but a real bummer. These are about 6 inches apart on front driver side fender.
If you took these pics at delivery there might be something you could do with your dealer/Acura of North America? It's worth a shot. It might be tough to polish these out as a novice with an orbital buffer, but they look minor enough that a pro body shop should be able to deal with these- but ideally it shouldn't cost you anything if these are factory defects.
Lflouie
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Since these are clearly imbeded contaminents vs a scratch, I think you would have a strong argument at dealer that they are defects and not damage.
Other than paint correction there aren't any feasible solutions short of repainting. Unfortunately even on a new car it is virtually impossible to match the factory paint, especially on pearl metallic paint, and requires a complete panel (bumper) repaint.
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