Why the Integra had to be a five-door (not for lack of trying) says Acura head

[TigerEyeJazz]

There's really no such thing as a Honda "sport tuned" CVT. The 1.5T will likely get the Civic's CVT unit with paddle shifters.

As far as the CVT hate. Pretty much all my cars have been manual. My 10th gen Civic 1.5T is my first CVT car. At first I hated it. Hated the way it sounded and felt.

But I do think it actually mates well to the 1.5T overall. Power is there for any situation. In time I began to appreciate it a bit more. I've been tuned nearly 4 years and tuning basically made my car much more fun to drive even with the CVT.

Not right now on the Sport Tuned CVT but think about what Subaru did with the WRX being a “Sport Tuned” automatic when in reality it’s a CVT with 8 speeds of simulations. But let’s wait and see. As of right now I’m predicting on what it could be.

CVT’s though I don’t have to much of an issue with them. I think why most don’t like it personally is just the whole high revving of it when accelerating. Most people, like myself, like having gears rather then a rubber band like affect transmission.

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[KoukiVAB]

I’m pretty sure that the base will end up getting the CVT from Civic.
That would be a deal breaker for me tho
I don’t know, maybe I should give it a try.
Maxima’s CVT wasn’t tooo bad and Hyundai taught me how crappy DCT can be too so we’ll see.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Hyundai’s 1.6T come with the 7 Speed DCT. Base Elantra comes with CVT connected to 2.0L NA. Plus base doesn’t give you Manual like the Integra will only way to get a Manual is the N-Line or N model.

 

[djlythium]

I wonder to what degree they’re saying this just to come out later with the Integra Coupe, tagline ‘We listened™️ to our enthusiastic community!’

 

[KoukiVAB]

Hyundai’s 1.6T come with the 7 Speed DCT. Base Elantra comes with CVT connected to 2.0L NA. Plus base doesn’t give you Manual like the Integra will only way to get a Manual is the N-Line or N model.

Performance wise I think Integra will be close to the N line, but The 7DCT in the N line is just not good enough imo.
6MT in both N line and N are not on the same level as Honda's either.

 

[RRP RSX-S]

Whats sad is that even with how many coupes have left the market, those people are not really moving to the coupes left. Some are. But with the Altima, Civic, Accord coupes and the Focus, and Golf 2 doors gone those buyers are going to the Miata, 86/BRZ or Mustang EcoBoost. But more of them are just going to a 4 door instead.

Coupe sales were SO low on the Civic and Accord that trying to merge those sales to just 1 car was still not enough profit motivation. I can't think of a single FWD coupe, so it would have had the WHOLE market to itself, and that still wasn't enough driving force.

I remember when my buddy traded his e92 m3, and instead of getting an m4, the new 2 door, he stuck with the m3. 4 doors just made more sense to him.

Most people if given the same car with a 2 and 4 door option will pick the 4 door. Even if they’re single people. It’s just more roomy and you don’t have to flip a seat forward if you need to give friends a ride.

I’m sure they would have sold a lot of coupes. But they’ll sell even more of this 5 door. And it cost them a ton less than the 2 door would have.

 

[RRP RSX-S]

Many hoped for an Si hatch that offered both a manual and either a traditional auto or DCT. Then along comes the Integra hatch that kind of answered the prayers...

Except...

Reading into that article about the Integra Coupe not being feasible likely tells us something else. Being Civic based, the 1.5T powered base Integra will feature a manual and, unfortunately, a CVT.

I VERY much doubt a luxury brand like Acura would put in a CVT. When he refered to a coupe not being feasible due to there not being a civic coupe he’s referring to the body itself. It would be too expensive to make a coupe body just for 1 model. By keeping it 4 door it’s essentially the same strategy as Toyota and BMW comaking the Supra/Z4. One set of bones cost covers 2 models.

That doesn’t apply to drivetrain however. They have several motors and several transmissions in their arsenal. It’s just about matching them up and tuning, which has to be done on a new model anyway. So that isn’t to costly.

 

[RRP RSX-S]

I think they fully knew that a small crossover would sell better than a small sedan/hatch without even trying, but they really wanted to try and give fans and enthusiasts SOMETHING other than another crossover. So it makes sense they'd want the integra hatch to be as versatile and useable as possible to hopefully win back some of those potential crossover sales if they can see that the Integra would be just as useful.

Might also explain the extra length. More trunk space. Be as versatile as possible like you said, while still being smaller. Remember the ZDX? That didn’t sell well. This is a good middle ground.

 

[RRP RSX-S]

I’m pretty sure that the base will end up getting the CVT from Civic.
That would be a deal breaker for me tho
I don’t know, maybe I should give it a try.
Maxima’s CVT wasn’t tooo bad and Hyundai taught me how crappy DCT can be too so we’ll see.

Hyundais original in house built 7 speed DCT on the 1.6T was terrible. Had one in a 2016 Tucson. But their new “wet” 8 speed DCT is phenomenal. An absolutely amazing transmission.

The ILX 8 speed DCT would be my ideal choice for the base.

 

[RRP RSX-S]

Performance wise I think Integra will be close to the N line, but The 7DCT in the N line is just not good enough imo.
6MT in both N line and N are not on the same level as Honda's either.

They still use the 7dct? They bailed on it in 2019 I thought for a traditional auto and then came out with the wet 8dct in 2020/2021. The N veloster has the 8dct.

 

[Hondabob]

Hyundais orogonal in house built 7 speed (whatever it was) DCT on the 1.6T was terrible. Had one in a 2016 Tucson. But their new “wet” 8 speed DCT is phenomenal. An absolutely amazing transmission.

The ILX 8 speed DCT would be my ideal choice for the base.

Yep agreed. ILX 8 speed would be my choice as well. Other similar cars in the price range all use regular DCT/autos:
Mazda 3 / GTI / A3 / Hyundai / Lexus. Main exception is subaru.

I don’t think there’s any high end car with a CVT that comes to mind.

 

[RRP RSX-S]

Yep agreed. ILX 8 speed would be my choice as well. Other similar cars in the price range all use regular DCT/autos:
Mazda 3 / GTI / A3 / Hyundai / Lexus. Main exception is subaru.

I don’t think there’s any high end car with a CVT that comes to mind.

Yep. CVT isn’t a transmission an Acura buyer will want. And when they already have the 8dct ready to go. It seems obvious. I hope.

 

[KoukiVAB]

They still use the 7dct? They bailed on it in 2019 I thought for a traditional auto and then came out with the wet 8dct in 2020/2021. The N veloster has the 8dct.

Yes they still do. The 8dct is indeed amazing but it’s only for FWD 2.5T and 3 N models.
1.6T sport compacts still come with the 7dct.

 

[bullitt]

The problems with CVT in luxury cars is people. Not CVTs.
They are incredibly smooth with 0 shift feeling. The problem is people complained about that and RPM’s not changing till the desired speed was reached. So companies had to add fake shifts which hurts performance, smoothness and MPG.

Now durability is why I’d not want one in a performance car. They just can’t take extended heat or high hard TQ application. the whole point of something like drag racing is keeping your engine in its peak power as long as you can. It’s why things like 7-10 spd transmissions work well. A transmission that keeps it peak 100% of the time and just slides up the ratios as fast as grip allows it would be amazing.

 

[jd2157]

1.5T would more then likely have the 6 Speed (we already know of) and a Sport Tuned CVT. 2.0T for Type S on the other hand.. might only get 10AT.

Current guess…
- Base: Civic’s 6M and CVT, for cost and flexibility, they want to snag as many potential buyers as possible into the brand
- A Spec: 10A, little benefit of a 6M at a largely cosmetic trim level, DCT is aging and they don’t seem to be investing in it
- Type S: 6M and maybe 10A, if they pick one trans I can’t see them excluding the 6M and that performance brand image, wouldn’t be surprised to see the 10A also added for a larger audience appeal and real perf gains

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