Has anyone seen any Clues drop?

[CarGuyUsername]

I think you're correct in assuming the Base engine will match Si level. Would be a nice surprise for it to be more though.

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[TigerEyeJazz]

I’ve enjoyed lurking on here and I’m glad to see that I’m not alone on impatiently waiting for details on the new integra.

It’s been discussed somewhat but not directly in this thread in regards to what performance will look like for the various trim levels.

Do we think the base model will the same hp and 0-60 figures as the new Si?

I currently own a 2019 Si as a daily and I really like it. I’m at the point where I would like a new car that’s a bit more premium and a bit more performance than what I have now. The new GTI really has me interested as $36k gets you a nicely equipped car that runs 0-60 in under 6 seconds. My biggest concern is the VW reliability.

My dream is that the base engine integra competes on a performance standpoint to the GTi and the type S runs against the Golf R.

Pessimistically I expect the base Integra to the same performance of the Si, if not a touch slower, and the Type S to be priced at $40k and land between the GTI and Golf R in performance. If that’s the case, I would just lease the GTI. I completely understand if Acura is chasing the A3 and not the GTI, but that’s what I’m cross shopping, and I imagine a decent chunk of people might.

Sorry for the story, but I feel providing context is helpful.

Welcome to the Thread. So honestly I think the reason the Si I was dubbed 200 HP instead of the actual rating of 220 HP was because the Integra was coming out so they purposely did it that way. The Integra will get the Si version of the 1.5 T with the 6 Speed or Automatic (still unknown if CVT or 10AT/DCT) I will say more then likely the main competitor the base Integra will be is the Elantra N-Line because of HP Number. GTi would definitely be Type S competition.

 

[RobbJK]

I think it's also a possibility that while the Integra may get more or less a copy/paste version of the Si powertrain, Acura could retune things like transmission gearing away from efficiency and toward performance and get better numbers than the Si, especially if they use a DCT or the 10 speed auto rather than the CVT.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Oddly enough, just seeing the HP number at 220 would be great on paper even if the performance is a lot closer to the Si than GTI.

If the type-s is more aimed against the GTI then is would certainly need to MSRP for under $40k, wouldn’t you all agree? The A3 starts at $35k and the S3 is at $45k, I don’t know why I keep mentioning the A3.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Oddly enough, just seeing the HP number at 220 would be great on paper even if the performance is a lot closer to the Si than GTI.

If the type-s is more aimed against the GTI then is would certainly need to MSRP for under $40k, wouldn’t you all agree? The A3 starts at $35k and the S3 is at $45k, I don’t know why I keep mentioning the A3.

Could be but main comp that it goes against Type S wise is the S3 M235i and the Mercedes 35 AMG

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Could be but main comp that it goes against Type S wise is the S3 M235i and the Mercedes 35 AMG

Has Acura said anything about who this is expected to compete against? The $30-45k segment has a lot of overlap and options, especially if you aren’t strictly looking at high-line brands(Audi, BMW, MB).

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Has Acura said anything about who this is expected to compete against? The $30-45k segment has a lot of overlap and options, especially if you aren’t strictly looking at high-line brands(Audi, BMW, MB).

Not really but it’s in the classes I listed above.

 

[RandomHondafan]

I think the numbers will the same as the Si. The previous ILX made the same as the 9th gen civic si so I don't expect much change here considering Acura has played it safe with the rest of the vehicle. Becuase this vehicle has more weight it'll probably do 0-60 in like 7.2-7.3 seconds where the Si was 7.1. The automatic could be interesting. It could do 6.5 to 7 second range depending on how quick it is.

 

[bullitt]

I think the numbers will the same as the Si. The previous ILX made the same as the 9th gen civic si so I don't expect much change here considering Acura has played it safe with the rest of the vehicle. Becuase this vehicle has more weight it'll probably do 0-60 in like 7.2-7.3 seconds where the Si was 7.1. The automatic could be interesting. It could do 6.5 to 7 second range depending on how quick it is.

So quick! my 1999 Escort only managed 0-60 in 7.6!!!! lol

State of performance compacts today is sad.

 

[RobbJK]

I've mentioned this before that it's definitely worth looking outside of the audi/bmw/merc offerings for competition to the Integra. One of the cars that probably closest aligns to it in terms of offering a hatch and being in the $30-35k range is the Mazda3 AWD Turbo models. Theres definitely some give and take between the two in terms of content. The Integra will probably have a far superior suspension setup given the Mazda's lame torsion rear setup, but if you aren't planning to race/track the car.. it won't make as much difference to most people. In terms of interior fit and finish I think that's more or less a dead heat... but the Integra will definitely offer more interior passenger space and a brighter cabin than the cramped Mazda. However, the mazda will have the advantage of 250hp and AWD that many have wished the (at least non Type S) had on offer for essentially the same price points as the regular non type S Integra.

That's not even taking into account it's own familial competition in the ST Civic Hatch (which is more than capable of meeting and exceeding Si performance with a light tune and modest mods) and the forthcoming next gen Accord Sport 2.0T (assuming that's still on the table for next gen and they don't nerf it like they did the civic). And if the Integra does crest over $35k fully loaded... that opens the doors to the base TLX.

This is all to say, assuming the most probably outcome at this point, the Integra definitely won't be a BAD car. It's taking the best parts of its civic cousin and putting it all in a (subjectively) more attractive wrapper, giving more or less EXL/Touring level features combined with Si performance for a very reasonable price. For those that particularly prefer the honda/acura family it'll be a great option. But in terms of comparing it to much of it's cross-shopped competition from those not brand loyal... it's going to fall mid pack, and certainly not as class leading like the civic is in it's core segment.

This is assuming $30-35k, 200hp, FWD only, with essentially copy/paste Si mechanicals with an Auto option and not a massive amount of weight gain over the civic.

 

[CarGuyUsername]

I've mentioned this before that it's definitely worth looking outside of the audi/bmw/merc offerings for competition to the Integra. One of the cars that probably closest aligns to it in terms of offering a hatch and being in the $30-35k range is the Mazda3 AWD Turbo models. Theres definitely some give and take between the two in terms of content. The Integra will probably have a far superior suspension setup given the Mazda's lame torsion rear setup, but if you aren't planning to race/track the car.. it won't make as much difference to most people. In terms of interior fit and finish I think that's more or less a dead heat... but the Integra will definitely offer more interior passenger space and a brighter cabin than the cramped Mazda. However, the mazda will have the advantage of 250hp and AWD that many have wished the (at least non Type S) had on offer for essentially the same price points as the regular non type S Integra.

That's not even taking into account it's own familial competition in the ST Civic Hatch (which is more than capable of meeting and exceeding Si performance with a light tune and modest mods) and the forthcoming next gen Accord Sport 2.0T (assuming that's still on the table for next gen and they don't nerf it like they did the civic). And if the Integra does crest over $35k fully loaded... that opens the doors to the base TLX.

This is all to say, assuming the most probably outcome at this point, the Integra definitely won't be a BAD car. It's taking the best parts of its civic cousin and putting it all in a (subjectively) more attractive wrapper, giving more or less EXL/Touring level features combined with Si performance for a very reasonable price. For those that particularly prefer the honda/acura family it'll be a great option. But in terms of comparing it to much of it's cross-shopped competition from those not brand loyal... it's going to fall mid pack, and certainly not as class leading like the civic is in it's core segment.

This is assuming $30-35k, 200hp, FWD only, with essentially copy/paste Si mechanicals with an Auto option and not a massive amount of weight gain over the civic.

Where do you think it falls if its Base AWD and 220+ HP? Assuming everything else is constant. Not saying these things are coming or likely to come, but its a decent thought experiment.

Surprised to see what they do with the Type S.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

This is all to say, assuming the most probably outcome at this point, the Integra definitely won't be a BAD car. It's taking the best parts of its civic cousin and putting it all in a (subjectively) more attractive wrapper, giving more or less EXL/Touring level features combined with Si performance for a very reasonable price. For those that particularly prefer the honda/acura family it'll be a great option. But in terms of comparing it to much of it's cross-shopped competition from those not brand loyal... it's going to fall mid pack, and certainly not as class leading like the civic is in it's core segment.

I think that’s a super likely outcome. It would make it tougher purchase for me if it has Si performance but a GTI price.

I know my feeling is probably incorrect, but Honda never really felt like the company that was about big cartoonish HP numbers. We’ve been getting 200hp out of the Si since the W. Bush administration. Their stuff isn’t underpowered by any means, but I think only the type r civic and maybe the S2000 raised eyebrows with their HP figures.

 

[Litflynt912]

I think that’s a super likely outcome. It would make it tougher purchase for me if it has Si performance but a GTI price.

I know my feeling is probably incorrect, but Honda never really felt like the company that was about big cartoonish HP numbers. We’ve been getting 200hp out of the Si since the W. Bush administration. Their stuff isn’t underpowered by any means, but I think only the type r civic and maybe the S2000 raised eyebrows with their HP figures.

and to your point I think Honda understands that 200hp range is a sweet spot for what the car is. A daily that makes driving fun without spending Porsche money. And I say that as a Porsche guy ?

 

[RobbJK]

Where do you think it falls if its Base AWD and 220+ HP? Assuming everything else is constant. Not saying these things are coming or likely to come, but its a decent thought experiment.

Surprised to see what they do with the Type S.

I think if they offered AWD and 220hp for the Base (non Type S models) they'd actually have quite the winner on their hands. Granted, there's still going to be quicker/more powerful competition in that price range... but in that $30-35k segment, AWD and 220 (or at least a 0-60 in around 6.5ish seconds, regardless of actual hp numbers) would be a VERY enticing combo of features, price, performance, capability, and the spectacular chassis of the civic/Si and would help even the playing field and give some added balance to justify it's price, heritage, and marketing.

Acura wouldn't need to go very far to make the Integra great. But the current outlook of sticking too close to the status quo is going to hurt it more. Retune for a BIT more power, offer AWD, skip the CVT and opt for DCT or 10-speed auto option along with the 6-speed manual. It would take the Integra from mid pack to (maybe still not class leading) but into that top 3 spot with it's balance of price/value, performance, AWD, features.

 

[RandomHondafan]

Im kinda curious to how the car will sell becuase as was said, if you look at the mainstream performance options like GTI,GLI,Elantra N, WRX. This will be significantly underpowered compared to those. However this will have better inputs and driving feel. This will also have a better interior than all. You can make an argument for the Elantra N.

Then you have the Mazda 3. That has AWD, +40hp and +128 torque. The interior is equal or better and is well equipped for the base model. The exterior looks better imo but lacks interior space that the Integra will have. The Integra will likely feel better to drive.

You got the Germans which include things like the A class, Cla and A3. In general they will have less interior space and cargo capacity but are more stylish exterior wise. They will be more expensive to start and to add options. Integra wins in value. Integra will have more power than the A class and be on par with an A3(fwd) in power. The A3 does have the advantage of the mild hybrid system which may appeal to some. The Cla and A3(AWD) provide more power and torque and will be better in a straight line. The Integra again will be better in handling and feel.

Then I want to talk about Hondas own lineup. If you're fine with a sedan and don't mind the feature taken, the Civic Si is a good option. Similar speed ,similar interior design. If you like creature comforts more the touring sedan or sport touring are both good options. However they will be down 20hp, missing the LSD and will have a CVT compared to the predicted dct in the Integra. For similar money to the Integra you can also step into an EXL Accord or a Sport 2.0T. With the accord you'll miss on the hatch but gain passenger space. You'll get more power and a 10 speed if you get the 2.0T. However you'll miss on handling features the Integra offers.

Again there is alot of choice out there. I'm curious to see what people will pick.

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