Has anyone seen any Clues drop?

[HondaGarage]

It would. Even though I’ve said that I wouldn’t get it I really want to be proven wrong lol. AWD is a must to make it more attractive then the Civic Counterpart. Even if it’s just on the Type S model at least it’s something.

I agree AWD would be better, but at that point does it start cannibalizing TLX sales? From an interior space perspective, using official Honda/Acura published numbers, the 2022 Civic sedan and TLX actually seem fairly close space-wise (within two tenths of an inch for head and legroom, Civic +2" shoulder room, TLX +4" hiproom).

I'm betting Integra Type-S comes with 272HP, auto only, and FWD - it then essentially serves as a Civic Type R "for adults" (i.e., slightly less performance, not as aggessive styling, more refined ride, etc.)

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[TigerEyeJazz]

I agree AWD would be better, but at that point does it start cannibalizing TLX sales? From an interior space perspective, using official Honda/Acura published numbers, the 2022 Civic sedan and TLX actually seem fairly close space-wise (within two tenths of an inch for head and legroom, Civic +2" shoulder room, TLX +4" hiproom).

I'm betting Integra Type-S comes with 272HP, auto only, and FWD - it then essentially serves as a Civic Type R "for adults" (i.e., slightly less performance, not as aggessive styling, more refined ride, etc.)

The Integra sales wise and interior space is going to be better then the TLX. TLX was designed extremely great outside but when you move into the cabin rear seating is bad. At least it’s not G70 or IS bad for that matter.

I kinda suspect it will get FWD but if we logically think, the 2.0T from the TLX can be had in FWD or AWD via the same 10 Speed automatic that the Type S will get. I just don’t say why they can’t at least offer it. It will sell great either option you go for.

 

[RandomHondafan]

I agree AWD would be better, but at that point does it start cannibalizing TLX sales? From an interior space perspective, using official Honda/Acura published numbers, the 2022 Civic sedan and TLX actually seem fairly close space-wise (within two tenths of an inch for head and legroom, Civic +2" shoulder room, TLX +4" hiproom).

I'm betting Integra Type-S comes with 272HP, auto only, and FWD - it then essentially serves as a Civic Type R "for adults" (i.e., slightly less performance, not as aggessive styling, more refined ride, etc.)

I wouldn't think sotoo much each car has benefits and drawbacks

The Integra sales wise and interior space is going to be better then the TLX. TLX was designed extremely great outside but when you move into the cabin rear seating is bad. At least it’s not G70 or IS bad for that matter.

I kinda suspect it will get FWD but if we logically think, the 2.0T from the TLX can be had in FWD or AWD via the same 10 Speed automatic that the Type S will get. I just don’t say why they can’t at least offer it. It will sell great either option you go for.

I would agree there will be benefits and drawbacks if each. TLX will have 72 more HP standard, better looks, nicer interior. The Integra will likely have more options for the same price of a base TLX, LSD, better interior space and hatch. People can choose what stuff they prioritize and what fits their budget the most. I think it's good to give your customers choice

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

I wouldn't think sotoo much each car has benefits and drawbacks

I would agree there will be benefits and drawbacks if each. TLX will have 72 more HP standard, better looks, nicer interior. The Integra will likely have more options for the same price of a base TLX, LSD, better interior space and hatch. People can choose what stuff they prioritize and what fits their budget the most. I think it's good to give your customers choice

I personally think other then the performance the Integra will bring, the hatch will be a huge selling point plus weight compare to TLX. One key thing to note for any brand that has a mid tier or high performance model is that those models aren’t the ones that bring in the most money. A-Spec is going to be a hot seller for the Integra.

 

[RandomHondafan]

I personally think other then the performance the Integra will bring, the hatch will be a huge selling point plus weight compare to TLX. One key thing to note for any brand that has a mid tier or high performance model is that those models aren’t the ones that bring in the most money. A-Spec is going to be a hot seller for the Integra.

For sure. I think the A-Spec will be the one more enthusiast/sport oriented customers would get. It will definitely spice up the look of the car especially if the "commuter" ones look like this

 

[Hondabob]

For sure. I think the A-Spec will be the one more enthusiast/sport oriented customers would get. It will definitely spice up the look of the car especially if the "commuter" ones look like this

I’ll be interested to see if they even offer an advance package and not just tech and a spec. Advance FWD would put it at like 38k, and I don’t think buyers of an Integra are in the 38k range. nor do they want those highly luxurious extras.

By eliminating the advance package it would also leave a few thousand to offer optional AWD, DCT auto and still come in under the Type S starting price

 

[RandomHondafan]

I’ll be interested to see if they even offer an advance package and not just tech and a spec. Advance FWD would put it at like 38k, and I don’t think buyers of an Integra are in the 38k range. nor do they want those highly luxurious extras.

By eliminating the advance package it would also leave a few thousand to offer optional AWD, DCT auto and still come in under the Type S starting price

I think for sure they offer an Advance Package. Every Acura has the three main packages being Tech, A-Spec and Advance. The current ILX has similar 3 package model. I did a write up on one of the pricing threads recently going into detail about the potential price. I'll drop the numbers I got below.

Manual:
Base: 31045
Tech: 33295
A-Spec: 35545
Advance: 37545

DCT/Auto:
Base:32295
Tech: 34545
A-Spec: 36795
Advance: 38795

 

[bullitt]

Acura test marketing was already leaked saying A-Spec would be about 33,500. No one is going to pay 35k just for A-Spec. Acura has already been cleaning up their marketing for just A-Spec, Tech and Type-S.

 

[RandomHondafan]

Acura test marketing was already leaked saying A-Spec would be about 33,500. No one is going to pay 35k just for A-Spec. Acura has already been cleaning up their marketing for just A-Spec, Tech and Type-S.

Do you have the article or form containing the test marketing leaks? I used similar pricing to the packages of the current ILX which is how I came up with the numbers. It would be hard to see how the car gets cheaper in terms of packaging. The Destination fee is also accounted for in the numbers I posted too.

 

[Hondabob]

Do you have the article or form containing the test marketing leaks? I used similar pricing to the packages of the current ILX which is how I came up with the numbers. It would be hard to see how the car gets cheaper in terms of packaging. The Destination fee is also accounted for in the numbers I posted too.

So from the previously leaked and now removed post we know the Aspec will be 33.5 with a stick- that is the main jumping off point here.
My expectations are:
Base:30000
Tech 32000
Tech + Aspec 33500

AWD + 1000
DCT + 1000

add destination and its about 37000 for a fully clapped out Integra. That gives the type S some breathing room to start at 38-39k base price.

 

[RandomHondafan]

So from the previously leaked and now removed post we know the Aspec will be 33.5 with a stick- that is the main jumping off point here.
My expectations are:
Base:30000
Tech 32000
Tech + Aspec 33500

AWD + 1000
DCT + 1000

add destination and its about 37000 for a fully clapped out Integra. That gives the type S some breathing room to start at 38-39k base price.

I kinda doubt that considering a fully loaded fwd ILX tops out at about 33,200. Based on what you've said the new Integra starts at 30k but tops out at 1300 more than the previous car(comparing FWD). This new one will be more premium have better tech, better handling and moves two generations up in terms of platform. Also a thing to point our is that in general a new generation base model will start closest to the old generation base model. As you add more packages the differences in price between the old and new generation will start grow further. I'm pretty sure this is seen with the 10th and 11th gen civics. If what you said does happen will that mean that the new Integra will miss a bunch of more premium features that other Acura's get? Can't wait for Acura to release more details.

 

[Hondabob]

If what you said does happen will that mean that the new Integra will miss a bunch of more premium features that other Acura's get? Can't wait for Acura to release more details.

I am also eagerly awaiting Acura to release more info although I did already drop a deposit on one lol.

My take - The Integra base model will basically be a civic with a liftback and most likely leather trimmed basic power seats (ala ILX premium package). I expect the take rate on the base to be extremely small meaning it just really isn’t important what features it doesn’t get. The tech and A spec packages will align with those packages on the other Acura models and will be extremely hot sellers. The features on the advance model won’t be missed by buyers of an Integra as the target demographic is just not the same as the other models. As Jon Ikeda had said this car is meant to bring a whole new generation of people to Acura, so they are going to try extremely hard to pack it with features to win over buyers.

What i think could happen is the advance package makes it’s way to the Type S to help differentiate it from the Type R (asides from auto trans option).

 

[jd2157]

I am also eagerly awaiting Acura to release more info although I did already drop a deposit on one lol.

My take - The Integra base model will basically be a civic with a liftback and most likely leather trimmed basic power seats (ala ILX premium package). I expect the take rate on the base to be extremely small meaning it just really isn’t important what features it doesn’t get. The tech and A spec packages will align with those packages on the other Acura models and will be extremely hot sellers. The features on the advance model won’t be missed by buyers of an Integra as the target demographic is just not the same as the other models. As Jon Ikeda had said this car is meant to bring a whole new generation of people to Acura, so they are going to try extremely hard to pack it with features to win over buyers.

What i think could happen is the advance package makes it’s way to the Type S to help differentiate it from the Type R (asides from auto trans option).

Base will get those looking for:
- an Si hatchback
- a value-based new entry into the brand
- an Acura worthy of a return to the brand for previous fans

I think the base will do fairly well… especially if the price is close to the ST Civic hatch.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

I don’t know if you guys saw but Michelin announced recently the Pilot Sport 5 tires. From what was said is that these tires are even better all around compared to Pilot Sport 4’s. These tires could be going on the Integra Type S if it comes out on time. I know the CTR will be using Michelins from what I could remember.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

I’ve enjoyed lurking on here and I’m glad to see that I’m not alone on impatiently waiting for details on the new integra.

It’s been discussed somewhat but not directly in this thread in regards to what performance will look like for the various trim levels.

Do we think the base model will the same hp and 0-60 figures as the new Si?

I currently own a 2019 Si as a daily and I really like it. I’m at the point where I would like a new car that’s a bit more premium and a bit more performance than what I have now. The new GTI really has me interested as $36k gets you a nicely equipped car that runs 0-60 in under 6 seconds. My biggest concern is the VW reliability.

My dream is that the base engine integra competes on a performance standpoint to the GTi and the type S runs against the Golf R.

Pessimistically I expect the base Integra to the same performance of the Si, if not a touch slower, and the Type S to be priced at $40k and land between the GTI and Golf R in performance. If that’s the case, I would just lease the GTI. I completely understand if Acura is chasing the A3 and not the GTI, but that’s what I’m cross shopping, and I imagine a decent chunk of people might.

Sorry for the story, but I feel providing context is helpful.

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