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How do you guys feel after lowering your car?

My feeling is overall positive but still a little mixed.

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How do you guys feel after lowering your car?

My feeling is overall positive but still a little mixed.

Check out my latest video on the subject.

The thing about electronic suspensions is that the firmness settings are based off shock travel and how quickly the car needs to come back to "level". This is affected by ride height because the car thinks the shocks are all partially compressed. It's "adaptive" to the driving situation which is what makes it so good (and fast).

On my gti i went through various complicated paths of spring, coilover sleeve, custom helper, and varying bump stop lengths to get around the shortened and "pre-compressed" strut problem to no avail. I even went to coils, which improved the ride, but the car was just too stiff on a monotube and I wanted to go back to adjusting with a button. Even adjusting the static starting range for the shock and resetting the system at full droop (via obd on the vw with a tool called obd eleven) didn't totally remove the crashiness at times.

It's as you say "the nature of (modifying)". There are golden goose coil setups out there, but they do cost an arm and a leg, and will take a mountain of proper tuning time to get right (and better) over stock.

Good luck in your journey 😊

Also, hoodie and bro shorts in 60 degree weather is so Florida 😆. I'm just surprised you weren't wearing socks and flip flops, lol.
 
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The thing about electronic suspensions is that the firmness settings are based off shock travel and how quickly the car needs to come back to "level". This is affected by ride height because the car thinks the shocks are all partially compressed. It's "adaptive" to the driving situation which is what makes it so good (and fast).

On my gti i went through various complicated paths of spring, coilover sleeve, custom helper, and varying bump stop lengths to get around the shortened and "pre-compressed" strut problem to no avail. I even went to coils, which improved the ride, but the car was just too stiff on a monotube and I wanted to go back to adjusting with a button. Even adjusting the static starting range for the shock and resetting the system at full droop (via obd on the vw with a tool called obd eleven) didn't totally remove the crashiness at times.

It's as you say "the nature of (modifying)". There are golden goose coil setups out there, but they do cost an arm and a leg, and will take a mountain of proper tuning time to get right (and better) over stock.

Good luck in your journey 😊

Also, hoodie and bro shorts in 60 degree weather is so Florida 😆. I'm just surprised you weren't wearing socks and flip flops, lol.
Yes, it could get complicated rather quickly trying to find the right setup. Ill just go with gut instinct, as long as nothing catastrophic is happening, my next upgrades for the suspension is going to be caber kits and sway bars so we will see how that goes.

And yes I'm very Florida boy lol. thanks for watching !
 

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I don't notice any negative side-effects other than the addition of understeer that I've waxed poetic about many times on this board. This is just a natural effect of having more negative camber in the rear than the front that's induced by the suspension setup for this car (and associated lack of camber adjustability), and I'm expecting it to be easily corrected by adjusting the camber with either adjustable front ball joints or coilovers with camber plates. For street use, I'd argue that this understeer isn't noticeable- or rather, it shouldn't be. No one should be driving this car to the point where there is noticeable understeer on the street.

This is important to consider for those who are primarily/exclusively street drivers and would be considering adjusting camber back to OEM specs with the addition of aftermarket rear adjustable control arms, rather than adding more camber in the front that would help pretty much only in a track setting. None of these camber issues would make any difference at all for any sort of "raggedy" ride quality, but it could reduce the accelerated tire wear some folks (@Integra23 ) have reported after 10k miles or so of riding on the springs (question for those reporting these issues though- are the fronts wearing the same way? If that's the case then I don't think you could attribute that tire wear to the springs... it just feels like ~2.5 degrees of negative camber shouldn't be enough to trash tires at 10k miles but I don't have any data to back that up, just wondering...).

Anyway, sometime this spring I'll get my front camber corrected to bring it at least inline with the extra degree or so I've got in the rear, and my complaints will likely go away and I'll love driving my car on track/autocross again (right now I don't). It's just one thing I'll continually throw out there any time springs are brought up in conversation, because it's something I wish I'd considered beforehand.

I can't comment on any of the "raggedy"-ness. The car rides fine for me. Maybe my roads around me are better, or maybe it's because I drive around in comfort mode on the street pretty much exclusively. But I noticed the extra "sharpness" you talk about, but none of the negative elements. I'd like to think I'm sensitive to that stuff because I HATED the ride in my stock STI and F82 M4, but the DE5 after the Eibach Pro-kit is fine, aside from the understeer.
 

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I'm good with it! a little sharp at times but that's to be expected. I'll always trade a little comfort for the look and tight feel.
 

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I don't notice any negative side-effects other than the addition of understeer that I've waxed poetic about many times on this board. This is just a natural effect of having more negative camber in the rear than the front that's induced by the suspension setup for this car (and associated lack of camber adjustability), and I'm expecting it to be easily corrected by adjusting the camber with either adjustable front ball joints or coilovers with camber plates. For street use, I'd argue that this understeer isn't noticeable- or rather, it shouldn't be. No one should be driving this car to the point where there is noticeable understeer on the street.

This is important to consider for those who are primarily/exclusively street drivers and would be considering adjusting camber back to OEM specs with the addition of aftermarket rear adjustable control arms, rather than adding more camber in the front that would help pretty much only in a track setting. None of these camber issues would make any difference at all for any sort of "raggedy" ride quality, but it could reduce the accelerated tire wear some folks (@Integra23 ) have reported after 10k miles or so of riding on the springs (question for those reporting these issues though- are the fronts wearing the same way? If that's the case then I don't think you could attribute that tire wear to the springs... it just feels like ~2.5 degrees of negative camber shouldn't be enough to trash tires at 10k miles but I don't have any data to back that up, just wondering...).

Anyway, sometime this spring I'll get my front camber corrected to bring it at least inline with the extra degree or so I've got in the rear, and my complaints will likely go away and I'll love driving my car on track/autocross again (right now I don't). It's just one thing I'll continually throw out there any time springs are brought up in conversation, because it's something I wish I'd considered beforehand.

I can't comment on any of the "raggedy"-ness. The car rides fine for me. Maybe my roads around me are better, or maybe it's because I drive around in comfort mode on the street pretty much exclusively. But I noticed the extra "sharpness" you talk about, but none of the negative elements. I'd like to think I'm sensitive to that stuff because I HATED the ride in my stock STI and F82 M4, but the DE5 after the Eibach Pro-kit is fine, aside from the understeer.
seems like you've gone deeper than I have in this rabbit hole. what I mean by raggedy is that it doesn't feel OEM anymore, OEM will always be the best quality. but either way I'm happy with it
 

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@optronix I'm seeing a tad more wear in the front then rear but both have destroyed the inside tread with the rest of the tire looking great. I'd like to get my camber down to -1 or below but I have not seen a front camber kit that can give positive camber.
 

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@optronix I'm seeing a tad more wear in the front then rear but both have destroyed the inside tread with the rest of the tire looking great. I'd like to get my camber down to -1 or below but I have not seen a front camber kit that can give positive camber.
Camber changes "where" your tire wears, but it doesn't change how fast it wears. That's toe. Under compression, the wheels will toe in, which provides stability and some extra turn in on the outside wheel seeing compression through a turn. Lowering the car compresses the suspension arms in all cases, leading to alignment changes. Excess toe adds drag on the tire when cruising along.

Have you done an alignment to verify your toe is 0 or near 0 (with maybe slight toe in if you're a highway driver)?

I've run the ps4s tires for years on cars ranging from -0.5 to -2.5 camber and never had an issue with accelerated wear. They are a remarkably comfortable and durable tire for what they are. In fact, they're specifically built for that range of camber, and running them lower than -1.0 isn't ideal for the sidewall. Michelin recommends "as much negative camber as the manufacturer can allow in a 'sport'" alignment.
 

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seems like you've gone deeper than I have in this rabbit hole. what I mean by raggedy is that it doesn't feel OEM anymore, OEM will always be the best quality. but either way I'm happy with it
Nah, I'll agree that it doesn't feel like it did from the factory. But for me that's a net positive... the only negative element I've experienced from any mods I've done was with the extra offset from the aftermarket wheels. I only went an extra 15mm out (+45), but instantly noticed added torque steer and slightly reduced steering feel. But not enough to offset (pardon the pun) the aesthetics.

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I'll echo the question about alignment- I want to say I recall @Integra23 saying he didn't do one.

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Nah, I'll agree that it doesn't feel like it did from the factory. But for me that's a net positive... the only negative element I've experienced from any mods I've done was with the extra offset from the aftermarket wheels. I only went an extra 15mm out (+45), but instantly noticed added torque steer and slightly reduced steering feel. But not enough to offset (pardon the pun) the aesthetics.

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I'll echo the question about alignment- I want to say I recall @Integra23 saying he didn't do one.

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With no camber adjustment from the factory what's the point?
 

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I just checked and my factory alignment had 1/8" toe in on front right. If that was lowered by say an inch, it would gain likely 0.2 degrees, or about 1/16.

So if I didn't touch toe and I lowered it, I'd have 3/16 toe in on one tire, and 3/32 on the other. That's enough to drag a lot on a "performance tire" where 10k miles wears like 30k on typical pedestrian tires.

If your factory alignment is as bad as mine was, I'd recommend getting it checked. I'll also note on stock alignment hardware I'm doing -2-2.1 camber! Factory was at -1.3 and -1.5 I believe. 0 toe front and 1/32nd in rear.
 

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Mine needed alignment as well. Always align after lowering.
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