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With the fact the Si was barely updated when the hybrid came out I'm getting the feeling that the Prelude will be replacing the Si.
Good take on this, I never considered this, but with Honda move to hybrid and EV, there's no room for Si in the future. This will get the Civic Hybrid motor and probably all the sporty suspension bits and maybe the LSD once the Si is canceled.
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Oh man.. no hatch?
It is a liftback similar to the Integra - it's got a cut line in roof and when Raiti was reviewing the concept he noted that the rear glass and trunklid were all one piece - you can also see the hatch supports behind the rear glass in some shots.
 
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Also worth noting, saying it has a CVT is not really correct, Honda needs a better branding word for it, but their hybrids don't actually have a transmission to speak of - it's a single speed electric motor that drives the front wheels 95% of the time with the gas engine acting mostly as a generator for the battery unless its needed for more power or certain highway conditions.

It's more like a small battery EV with a built in generator + gas power booster than what most consider a regular mild hybrid to be where the electric and gas motors share duty more of the time. So it's seamless electric power from 0 rpm.

Given Honda's slower adoption of EV's I could possibly see the next gen Si going hybrid - and using the Prelude as a tester for some of the performance and tech that could go into it, I figure the CTR will continue on ICE/Manual for one more full generation possibly however.

Hearsay from a dealer meeting in Vegas stated the Prelude rides on a version of the CTR platform and possibly even uses the adjustable dampers from the CTR/Integra. It may not have everyones preferred transmission type (again, it doesn't have a transmission), but as a sporty GT car, which is what Honda is aiming for it to be (not a track car, that's what the CTR is for), it'll handle well, be appropriately quick, while also being efficient and comfortable.
 

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It is a liftback similar to the Integra - it's got a cut line in roof and when Raiti was reviewing the concept he noted that the rear glass and trunklid were all one piece - you can also see the hatch supports behind the rear glass in some shots.
The odd line that shoots over makes it appear to be a trunk. I forgot about Raiti.

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The odd line that shoots over makes it appear to be a trunk. I forgot about Raiti.

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It's definitely styled as if it would have a trunk - even though it would have a crazy high lift height with how shallow the trunk lid is (like the Integra). But the cut line in the roof and what Raiti mentioned gives me 99% assurance it'll be a liftback - plus the brightened images of the concept where you can more clearly see the support pillars behind the glass.
 

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It is a liftback similar to the Integra - it's got a cut line in roof and when Raiti was reviewing the concept he noted that the rear glass and trunklid were all one piece - you can also see the hatch supports behind the rear glass in some shots.
In that case, I'm definitely interested. Wish it were a four door, but I want a hybrid liftback. I know others here want a manual, but I don't personally care for it.
 

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In that case, I'm definitely interested. Wish it were a four door, but I want a hybrid liftback. I know others here want a manual, but I don't personally care for it.
Last of a compact 2 door vehicle.
 
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Last of a compact 2 door vehicle.
Yep, the 10th gen civic coupe was really the last of the front drive compact coupes, everything else is RWD or luxury level AWD. I wasn't sure what I would ever end up replacing my 2019 civic coupe with, but the Prelude seems like the perfect candidate. I'd happily consider something RWD like the toyobaru twins, but it still snows on occasion in Ohio, and I don't have space to store winter tires, plus their interiors and features are lacking compared to my coupe.

Hoping that having the liftback will be slightly more versatile compared to the trunk lid of my coupe, and the narrow passthrough when the seats are down. If the Prelude wasn't happening, I suppose my next best option would've been the Civic Hatchback Hybrid Sport Touring. I've had 4-doors before, and I can count on one hand the number of times I ever had to open the rear doors for anything, 2 doors is plenty for me, and I value style over versatility.
 

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Yep, the 10th gen civic coupe was really the last of the front drive compact coupes, everything else is RWD or luxury level AWD. I wasn't sure what I would ever end up replacing my 2019 civic coupe with, but the Prelude seems like the perfect candidate. I'd happily consider something RWD like the toyobaru twins, but it still snows on occasion in Ohio, and I don't have space to store winter tires, plus their interiors and features are lacking compared to my coupe.

Hoping that having the liftback will be slightly more versatile compared to the trunk lid of my coupe, and the narrow passthrough when the seats are down. If the Prelude wasn't happening, I suppose my next best option would've been the Civic Hatchback Hybrid Sport Touring. I've had 4-doors before, and I can count on one hand the number of times I ever had to open the rear doors for anything, 2 doors is plenty for me, and I value style over versatility.
With the prelude using the civic hybrid powertrain there is a very good chance ifs FWD only.
 

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With the prelude using the civic hybrid powertrain there is a very good chance ifs FWD only.
Most definitely is FWD, which, as much as people would like an AWD Prelude, historically it was always a FWD car. I think they're also trying very hard to keep the price point in check, ideally it needs to not be much more expensive than the GR86/BRZ. A slightly markup for the hybrid and being more premium, but if I was going to bet money I figure it'll end up falling into the same price bracket as the Integra, about $32k-38k depending on trim levels. My assumption is that there will be 2 trims, sport and sport touring (or possibly Si). Sport will more or less have the same equipment levels as the civic Sport Hybrid while the Sport Touring/Si top trim will be equipped similarly to the Integra ASpec.
 

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Most definitely is FWD, which, as much as people would like an AWD Prelude, historically it was always a FWD car. I think they're also trying very hard to keep the price point in check, ideally it needs to not be much more expensive than the GR86/BRZ. A slightly markup for the hybrid and being more premium, but if I was going to bet money I figure it'll end up falling into the same price bracket as the Integra, about $32k-38k depending on trim levels. My assumption is that there will be 2 trims, sport and sport touring (or possibly Si). Sport will more or less have the same equipment levels as the civic Sport Hybrid while the Sport Touring/Si top trim will be equipped similarly to the Integra ASpec.
I think if it's a hybrid with cvt it needs to be priced under the BRZ. How much was the Veloster-- that would have been its competition
 
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I think if it's a hybrid with cvt it needs to be priced under the BRZ. How much was the Veloster-- that would have been its competition
I figure it'll be priced at or around where the civic hatchback hybrids are priced, probably slightly higher just to get more profit since it'll be a low volume seller. It is being positioned as a more premium GT type of sports coupe, nicer interior, better sound system, larger, more versatile than the BRZ/GR86. Honda also hasn't yet 100% confirmed that it won't get some kind of power bump over the civic hybrids (they did say they were prioritizing performance over fuel efficiency).

It's not really meant to be a direct competitor to the Toyobaru twins (but they will get cross shopped either way). It's not a track car per se, that's the CTR's job. It will probably handle as well as the Si/Integra but be quicker than both in a straight line. The civic coupe always sold right at the same price as the civic sedan/hatch - given the Prelude's more "premium" placement, I figure they'll tack on may be an extra grand or two to the pricing of the hatchback hybrid with similar feature spread plus a few extras.

I'd agree the veloster would be its closer competition, but given that it hasn't been sold in a few years, car prices have gone up quite a bit since it was around, and the Veloster was hardly premium in quality.
 

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Most definitely is FWD, which, as much as people would like an AWD Prelude, historically it was always a FWD car. I think they're also trying very hard to keep the price point in check, ideally it needs to not be much more expensive than the GR86/BRZ. A slightly markup for the hybrid and being more premium, but if I was going to bet money I figure it'll end up falling into the same price bracket as the Integra, about $32k-38k depending on trim levels. My assumption is that there will be 2 trims, sport and sport touring (or possibly Si). Sport will more or less have the same equipment levels as the civic Sport Hybrid while the Sport Touring/Si top trim will be equipped similarly to the Integra ASpec.
This will be FWD, but it looks like Honda is developing an eAWD system according to some presentation slides. I really hate to see it, but I think we know exactly how it'll go.

They'll add eAWD to the Accord Hybrid Senate, it'll be overpriced compared to the AWD Camry, it won't sell well. Then they'll finally put it in the next generation Civic and it'll do well, but it'll be far too late. It'll never reach the Integra (if it'll ever have a hybrid) and probably will never reach the prelude.
 
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This will be FWD, but it looks like Honda is developing an eAWD system according to some presentation slides. I really hate to see it, but I think we know exactly how it'll go.

They'll add eAWD to the Accord Hybrid Senate, it'll be overpriced compared to the AWD Camry, it won't sell well. Then they'll finally put it in the next generation Civic and it'll do well, but it'll be far too late. It'll never reach the Integra (if it'll ever have a hybrid) and probably will never reach the prelude.
Acura deciding to skip hybrids in favor of all EVs was a dumb decision IMO. The Integra would've benefitted from a hybrid option (along with the 1.5T and 2.0T). Accord needs to offer AWD badly - same goes for the Odyssey minivan, but Honda needs to create a more powerful Hybrid system first - one using a 2.4 liter and a slightly bigger battery that can put out 250hp or more that can be used in their larger vehicles. Something that can essentially replace / stand along side the 2.0T and V6 engines.
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