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I think part of the problem is many cars really do have fantastic seats- and it's not necessarily a new thing. The ITS seats just feel like an afterthought compared to stuff like this:

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Sure these are all more expensive cars, but here's a 2013 STI FFS:

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Oh, they absolutely were an afterthought. So was the dash.
If I had been in charge of designing this car, a copy / paste from the base model w. a color / material change would not have cut it for me.
Having said that, I don't find they actually bother me when I sit in them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is... the approach Acura took bothers me in principle, but I don't actually find the seats bother me in every-day use, which is what actually impacts how I experience the car.
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The ITS is a daily driver first, plain and simple. Any bolstering that complicates the entry/exit into the car is against the prime goal.

The CTR has that covered and the only travesty is that they make so few, that the people who would be better suited by the CTR have to "settle" for the ITS which is more readily available. Then we get the complaints about no log R or bucket seats, etc..... Anyway, the HRC parts catalogue should solve that issue.

I'd have to ponder it more but for my needs honestly I can't even find 5 gripes.

1) Put a dedicated disable button next to the traction control for the forward collision system, I hate going through the scroll menu every single drive.

2) Add some more weather strips on the doors to minimize water/dirt build up on the sill. On my list to do myself.

3) Have the Accord Homelink frameless rear view mirror as standard.
 

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Recaro was going bankrupt so they didnt want to deal with the headache. If i worked for Honda, I wouldve bought the entire recaro company.
 

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The ITS is a daily driver first, plain and simple. Any bolstering that complicates the entry/exit into the car is against the prime goal.

The CTR has that covered and the only travesty is that they make so few, that the people who would be better suited by the CTR have to "settle" for the ITS which is more readily available. Then we get the complaints about no log R or bucket seats, etc..... Anyway, the HRC parts catalogue should solve that issue.

I'd have to ponder it more but for my needs honestly I can't even find 5 gripes.

1) Put a dedicated disable button next to the traction control for the forward collision system, I hate going through the scroll menu every single drive.

2) Add some more weather strips on the doors to minimize water/dirt build up on the sill. On my list to do myself.

3) Have the Accord Homelink frameless rear view mirror as standard.
I don't think the CTR is that rare. Import numbers I have seen floating around put it under 4k a year which is in line with what the ITS.
Nationwide online search from cargurus shows 450 CTR and 430 ITS
 

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I don't think the CTR is that rare. Import numbers I have seen floating around put it under 4k a year which is in line with what the ITS.
Nationwide online search from cargurus shows 450 CTR and 430 ITS
You're right and I should have been more clear. How many of those 450 are $5-10k over sticker with dealer markup, basically unbuyable. I'd argue at least half and the another handful are sitting in more remote dealerships that don't sell out of state and/or people don't want the hassle to travel out of state to pick it up or pay to ship it.
 

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You're right and I should have been more clear. How many of those 450 are $5-10k over sticker with dealer markup, basically unbuyable. I'd argue at least half and the another handful are sitting in more remote dealerships that don't sell out of state and/or people don't want the hassle to travel out of state to pick it up or pay to ship it.
I would assume demand has dwindled in year 3 of production. I can't believe ADM still exists.
 

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Oh, they absolutely were an afterthought. So was the dash.
If I had been in charge of designing this car, a copy / paste from the base model w. a color / material change would not have cut it for me.
Having said that, I don't find they actually bother me when I sit in them.

I guess what I'm trying to say is... the approach Acura took bothers me in principle, but I don't actually find the seats bother me in every-day use, which is what actually impacts how I experience the car.
I'm right there with you, but I'll add that I DO notice their inadequacies on track.

I would assume demand has dwindled in year 3 of production. I can't believe ADM still exists.
Agreed. Anyone paying ADM for a CTR in 2025 is a natural born sucker. They are readily available without an ADM, but that won't stop dealerships from trying.
 

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I get people like the look of the ctr seats, but I find them pretty meh. The pass through harness slots are useless because if you use a harness it's unsafe due to it not being a fully fixed seat, so they're just there for looks. On track, I've driven an fk8 and FL5, and the seats were fine. They fit, they held okay, but I wish there was more waist bolstering and less shoulder bolstering. They're not a true "racing bucket". The lack of decent lumbar support makes them a total dealbreaker for the street for me, though. As a desk jockey, my core isn't what it once was, and I certainly couldn't do an hour stint in those seats without pain. The civic forums seem to have quite a few people complaining about them after a bit of use.

Conversely the De5 seats are more lax and more adjustable. The fact they're not leather meant they held well on track, despite the lack of bolstering, but again not a bucket. The lumbar is half decent, but the real problem is the bottom cushion being so hard. I've found you can't "sit on your butt" in these seats and you truly must sit on your sit bones to keep from feeling butt pain after 2hrs+. Still not a road trip car for me
 

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I get people like the look of the ctr seats, but I find them pretty meh. The pass through harness slots are useless because if you use a harness it's unsafe due to it not being a fully fixed seat, so they're just there for looks. On track, I've driven an fk8 and FL5, and the seats were fine. They fit, they held okay, but I wish there was more waist bolstering and less shoulder bolstering. They're not a true "racing bucket". The lack of decent lumbar support makes them a total dealbreaker for the street for me, though. As a desk jockey, my core isn't what it once was, and I certainly couldn't do an hour stint in those seats without pain. The civic forums seem to have quite a few people complaining about them after a bit of use.

Conversely the De5 seats are more lax and more adjustable. The fact they're not leather meant they held well on track, despite the lack of bolstering, but again not a bucket. The lumbar is half decent, but the real problem is the bottom cushion being so hard. I've found you can't "sit on your butt" in these seats and you truly must sit on your sit bones to keep from feeling butt pain after 2hrs+. Still not a road trip car for me
Well put. The cushioning in the DE5 is very lackluster. I do 4+ hour road trips pretty frequently and its a pain in the ass. More bolstering would be nice but I'd take the cushioning over that for a street car. Bringing my partner along with me often so she can feel how miserable the seats are, helps me convince her we (I) need another daily 😂
 

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Weirdly I like the stiffness of the seat cushion, even for long trips. I've said before, I actually prefer the seats in the ITS over the 18-ways in my Macan for that purpose. My only gripes remain the lack of bolstering on track (grip is fine), and they're about a 7/10 aesthetically for me. So in other words, they are perfectly adequate for my tastes.

As a desk jockey, my core isn't what it once was
Look into functional training exercises. Bodyweight is perfectly fine but there are plenty of options to throw resistance in there... but within literal days you'll see your core strength show up in ways you never thought possible. 30-40 minutes a day, anyone can carve that out for your personal fitness and well-being. My go-to is through an app called Centr. Reasonably priced for a fitness app, and they truly do deliver on content.
 

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Well put. The cushioning in the DE5 is very lackluster. I do 4+ hour road trips pretty frequently and its a pain in the ass. More bolstering would be nice but I'd take the cushioning over that for a street car. Bringing my partner along with me often so she can feel how miserable the seats are, helps me convince her we (I) need another daily 😂
Yeah after test driving an M3 my wife said "just buy it already and stop screwing with the acura" but my logical brain cannot compute the loss I'd take on this car. We did a 4hr trip once with our kids, and while doable none of us were comfortable at the destination. Next time for that trip it'll be the Q7
Look into functional training exercises. Bodyweight is perfectly fine but there are plenty of options to throw resistance in there... but within literal days you'll see your core strength show up in ways you never thought possible. 30-40 minutes a day, anyone can carve that out for your personal fitness and well-being. My go-to is through an app called Centr. Reasonably priced for a fitness app, and they truly do deliver on content.
I oversimplified so I didn't have to type out more detail... My core isn't exactly "weak" per se.

I went to PT for a year for objective functional review. My issue is that I was an athlete once (lacrosse) and my body took a big beating. I have a lot of strength and I can easily support 400lbs+ on my shoulders without my core buckling, but the issue is my chest is super strong and getting tight from the sitting aspect. This stretches the upper and mid back over time and then that weakens the balance fore-aft in the core. The lumbar support becomes critical because after a period of time my abs and chest continue to get tight while sitting.

One of the best upgrades I made was buying a swopper stool! That greatly improved pain and posture. It's seriously a total game changer, and no one has a bad thing to say about the swopper. In 2016 I was having 1-2 crippling neck cramps per month. Switching to the swopper ended them immediately. Now the two times since I've had a neck cramp was from overexertion and from using a chair with a back after my 5yr old drew all over and tore up my swopper stool cover🙃.

My other issue is genetic. I don't get muscle tightness, but nerve tightness instead. Stretching and jumping into my lifting routine can actually cause more problems with the nerves which has other knock-on effects. Your central nervous system all works together, so being sick or stressed can effect tightness day to day and vice versa.

Reality is, it will be a lifetime of doing exercises every evening, lifting a few days per week, and doing "nerve threading" or "nerve flossing" to ease the pain.
 

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Yeah after test driving an M3 my wife said "just buy it already and stop screwing with the acura" but my logical brain cannot compute the loss I'd take on this car. We did a 4hr trip once with our kids, and while doable none of us were comfortable at the destination. Next time for that trip it'll be the Q7


I oversimplified so I didn't have to type out more detail... My core isn't exactly "weak" per se.

I went to PT for a year for objective functional review. My issue is that I was an athlete once (lacrosse) and my body took a big beating. I have a lot of strength and I can easily support 400lbs+ on my shoulders without my core buckling, but the issue is my chest is super strong and getting tight from the sitting aspect. This stretches the upper and mid back over time and then that weakens the balance fore-aft in the core. The lumbar support becomes critical because after a period of time my abs and chest continue to get tight while sitting.

One of the best upgrades I made was buying a swopper stool! That greatly improved pain and posture. It's seriously a total game changer, and no one has a bad thing to say about the swopper. In 2016 I was having 1-2 crippling neck cramps per month. Switching to the swopper ended them immediately. Now the two times since I've had a neck cramp was from overexertion and from using a chair with a back after my 5yr old drew all over and tore up my swopper stool cover🙃.

My other issue is genetic. I don't get muscle tightness, but nerve tightness instead. Stretching and jumping into my lifting routine can actually cause more problems with the nerves which has other knock-on effects. Your central nervous system all works together, so being sick or stressed can effect tightness day to day and vice versa.

Reality is, it will be a lifetime of doing exercises every evening, lifting a few days per week, and doing "nerve threading" or "nerve flossing" to ease the pain.
After spending my youth playing football and basketball, and a decade or so of lifting (mostly improperly), I've just found that functional training was like flipping a switch. I'm contemplating just giving up the weights for good. Too many injuries, I've got no one to impress- but I want to retain the ability to move well into my 50s and 60s... and beyond.

Martial arts works too, same general concept but less repetitive... but I have no functional ACL in one of my knees, and don't have full range of motion. It's kind of kept me on pause for a bit.

If you've gotten a PT involved, nothing I can say will move the needle lol. Just generally, most people learn to live with pain and don't even bother trying to "work their way out of it". My brother is one of them, and it irritates the crap out of me because he's like 100 lbs overweight and I just want him to feel better. It impacts literally every waking moment...

Anyway. Long week and I'm prone to go off on tangents. Every BODY is different, hope you find a method that continues to work for you.
 

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After spending my youth playing football and basketball, and a decade or so of lifting (mostly improperly), I've just found that functional training was like flipping a switch. I'm contemplating just giving up the weights for good. Too many injuries, I've got no one to impress- but I want to retain the ability to move well into my 50s and 60s... and beyond.

Martial arts works too, same general concept but less repetitive... but I have no functional ACL in one of my knees, and don't have full range of motion. It's kind of kept me on pause for a bit.

If you've gotten a PT involved, nothing I can say will move the needle lol. Just generally, most people learn to live with pain and don't even bother trying to "work their way out of it". My brother is one of them, and it irritates the crap out of me because he's like 100 lbs overweight and I just want him to feel better. It impacts literally every waking moment...

Anyway. Long week and I'm prone to go off on tangents. Every BODY is different, hope you find a method that continues to work for you.
That's a bummer about your brother! I've got some immediate family as well I'm tyring to convince to be more active (my dad in particular) and it's so frustrating sometimes that they don't want to take the initiative. In the end, all we can do is say it comes from a place of care and concern, but it's up to them to produce the effort.

Good luck in your journey and I hope your brother sees the value one day 😊.
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