Cvt vs 6spd lsd winter

[Madeira17]

So I found two gray A specs
24 A spec cvt 33,795
24 A spec Tech/6sp 38,295
I live in rochester,ny so we typically get a lot of snow(think buffalo is you’re not familiar with rochester). Is the 6spd with lsd worth the extra $5,000 for snowy weather or will the cvt be fine? Both of these cars would have snow tires so that’s a given. I like the idea of driving a 6spd but if that lsd isn’t very helpful in the snow then I’m not sure if it’s worth that extra money. I can live without the E stereo and adjustable dampers. Thanks.

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[TheRas900]

I have a 6MT and my son has the A Spec Tech CVT. While both great, the fun to drive delta is way more than $5,000 to me.
While we didn't have any snow this season in Philadelphia, my 6MT definitely grips in corners better. Also, I believe the 6MT will hold greater resale value. Go for the stick if you can!!

 

[seca400]

I have a 6MT Tenth Gen Si and just got a Type S. Also regularly drive a CRV with CVT/AWD, and I'm right across the lake from you (Toronto Area, probably slightly less snow on average).

I switch out the Eagle Sports for Michelin X-Ice 3's, I've only ever been actually stuck once, and it was due to trying to get through a very very deep drift, I ended up pulling out the snow blower and clearing a path 50ft to my house, it was dumb to try and get through it. On regular to pretty bad snowfalls I pass right by vehicles stuck on hills, the traction control is very smart, if you start slow and steady it realizes the surface is slick and you can end up flooring it, and you'll just slowly tractor forward.

The CRV has the factory Mud & Snows, it drove right through that same drift that beached the Civic. The tires are ok, but regular daily drive on wet/slushy roads, the Xi-3's in the Si are far superior tires.

I really don't think that the CVT will offer anything over the 6MT in this type of weather, I personally don't care for any automatic in slick conditions, I like to be able to choose my gear and feather my clutch.

 

[Integra23]

I have a 6MT Tenth Gen Si and just got a Type S. Also regularly drive a CRV with CVT/AWD, and I'm right across the lake from you (Toronto Area, probably slightly less snow on average).

I switch out the Eagle Sports for Michelin X-Ice 3's, I've only ever been actually stuck once, and it was due to trying to get through a very very deep drift, I ended up pulling out the snow blower and clearing a path 50ft to my house, it was dumb to try and get through it. On regular to pretty bad snowfalls I pass right by vehicles stuck on hills, the traction control is very smart, if you start slow and steady it realizes the surface is slick and you can end up flooring it, and you'll just slowly tractor forward.

The CRV has the factory Mud & Snows, it drove right through that same drift that beached the Civic. The tires are ok, but regular daily drive on wet/slushy roads, the Xi-3's in the Si are far superior tires.

I really don't think that the CVT will offer anything over the 6MT in this type of weather, I personally don't care for any automatic in slick conditions, I like to be able to choose my gear and feather my clutch.

Did you get a set of winter wheels for the Type S or will it be doing garage duty during the winter?

 

[Madeira17]

I have a 6MT Tenth Gen Si and just got a Type S. Also regularly drive a CRV with CVT/AWD, and I'm right across the lake from you (Toronto Area, probably slightly less snow on average).

I switch out the Eagle Sports for Michelin X-Ice 3's, I've only ever been actually stuck once, and it was due to trying to get through a very very deep drift, I ended up pulling out the snow blower and clearing a path 50ft to my house, it was dumb to try and get through it. On regular to pretty bad snowfalls I pass right by vehicles stuck on hills, the traction control is very smart, if you start slow and steady it realizes the surface is slick and you can end up flooring it, and you'll just slowly tractor forward.

The CRV has the factory Mud & Snows, it drove right through that same drift that beached the Civic. The tires are ok, but regular daily drive on wet/slushy roads, the Xi-3's in the Si are far superior tires.

I really don't think that the CVT will offer anything over the 6MT in this type of weather, I personally don't care for any automatic in slick conditions, I like to be able to choose my gear and feather my clutch.

Thanks for the response but you sort of didn’t answer my question or maybe you did haha. Let me phrase it this way, do you think the cvt with snow tires would be just as capable as the 6spd with snow tires or does the 6spd LSD make a dramatic difference in the snow? That’s my dilemma really, I could save $6,500 going the cvt route vs the 6spd. Thanks.

 

[Integra23]

Thanks for the response but you sort of didn’t answer my question or maybe you did haha. Let me phrase it this way, do you think the cvt with snow tires would be just as capable as the 6spd with snow tires or does the 6spd LSD make a dramatic difference in the snow? That’s my dilemma really, I could save $6,500 going the cvt route vs the 6spd. Thanks.

You're getting more than an LSD. Your getting the tech package as well. ELS sound system, memory seats, wireless AA / apple carplay, heads-ups display, seats w/ Alcantara, oh and a LSD.

 

[Madeira17]

You're getting more than an LSD. Your getting the tech package as well. ELS sound system, memory seats, wireless AA / apple carplay, heads-ups display, seats w/ Alcantara, oh and a LSD.

Right I understand that. What I am wondering is if the LSD is really that vital in terms of snow handling vs not having it. I can live without the stereo, seats, HUD etc if it saves me $6,500.

 

[Frenzal]

Theoretically, the LSD should help a lot in the winter. With an open diff., the torque is equal on both wheels: so if one wheel spins, the other wheel won't even rotate. With an LSD, if one wheel spins, the other should continue to rotate and the car should go forward.

Now practically, I don't know as I never drove a car with a LSD in the winter. Will do next winter if I finally get my ITS.

 

[seca400]

Did you get a set of winter wheels for the Type S or will it be doing garage duty during the winter?

I think I'll probably park it for the winter

 

[seca400]

Thanks for the response but you sort of didn’t answer my question or maybe you did haha. Let me phrase it this way, do you think the cvt with snow tires would be just as capable as the 6spd with snow tires or does the 6spd LSD make a dramatic difference in the snow? That’s my dilemma really, I could save $6,500 going the cvt route vs the 6spd. Thanks.

The CVT will be the same, the traction control is the same on both transmissions. But you will get the remote starter with the CVT, that's the only selling point for me.

 

[Integra23]

Right I understand that. What I am wondering is if the LSD is really that vital in terms of snow handling vs not having it. I can live without the stereo, seats, HUD etc if it saves me $6,500.

I know it kicked in with the snow from this past winter for me. But we only get 2 to 4 inches at time.
Tires are everything. Factory all seasons still struggled on the heavier snow that froze when it got down below 0.

 

[nawfoo]

It sounds more like you want the CVT. Just get a Honda Civic and save more than 6500.

 

[Integra23]

It sounds more like you want the CVT. Just get a Honda Civic and save more than 6500.

Civic sport touring HB is 31k..
I know people are getting 2 to 3k off of the integra.

 

[A3REDT]

I have the 6MT and drove it in some snow/ice this year, from everything I experienced the diff was absolutely worth it. It's also nice to have just in wet weather use, with the open diff civics if you punch it at low speed in a corner it just spins the inside tire; not a problem I have experienced with the Torsen diff up front.

 

[seca400]

Theoretically, the LSD should help a lot in the winter. With an open diff., the torque is equal on both wheels: so if one wheel spins, the other wheel won't even rotate. With an LSD, if one wheel spins, the other should continue to rotate and the car should go forward.

Now practically, I don't know as I never drove a car with a LSD in the winter. Will do next winter if I finally get my ITS.

The tires on my Type S are so wide, I've barely got them to spin at all yet.. but in my Si the LSD only functions (noticeably, on dry pavement) when accelerating hard in a turn. It's the traction control software taking over and limiting engine speed until it senses some traction has been caught by the tires and it will slowly fade out until Im back in full control.

Even with winter tires, if you're stuck on snow deep snow coving a layer of ice and decide to turn traction control off, you'll sit there and smoke your tires all day, LSD isn't doing anything to get you moving. Crank the wheel all the way, you should get balanced power to both wheels, but this isn't what its intended for, and I doubt it would be useful.

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