Apex VS5-RS wheels, not a good fit for Michelin PS4S tires???

[GTO]

Thanks for posting on your experience. Will definitely help others.
We did try the core and the stem stuff. Spraying soapy water reveals the bead seat as the culprit.
I thought I was good with the second tire, but after about a week I lost 10lbs of air overnight. Threw some soapy water on and sure enough, same issue.

Thorough troubleshooting confirmed

Since you reseated two different tires with the same result, it seems to be the wheel

I've generally experienced excellent service with Apex but sometimes it has been a case of needing to talk with the right person. In those cases, they were willing to make things right by meeting halfway so it may be worth checking with them again for options.

These situations really suck and I sympathize with your disappointment and frustration. I hope it all works out soon and you are happy with the result.

Good luck!

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[bpebler]

Shit. I’m having these mounted as we speak to the same wheel. The Conti’s went on fine. I guess I’ll report back when I go to pick it up in a few hours.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Thorough troubleshooting confirmed

Since you reseated two different tires with the same result, it seems to be the wheel

I've generally experienced excellent service with Apex but sometimes it has been a case of needing to talk with the right person. In those cases, they were willing to make things right by meeting halfway so it may be worth checking with them again for options.

These situations really suck and I sympathize with your disappointment and frustration. I hope it all works out soon and you are happy with the result.

Good luck!

thats what I said! if the Conti's won't seat then we'll know for sure!

Shit. I’m having these mounted as we speak to the same wheel. The Conti’s went on fine. I guess I’ll report back when I go to pick it up in a few hours.

keep us posted. hope it works out just fine!

 

[bpebler]

I have the same setup, one rim wouldn't hold air, so they pulled the tire, cleaned it and reseated it. Has held pressure at stock and 40psi+ like a champ since. Does make me worried about getting some 285s to seat properly though...

Just mounted this tire in 285/35/18 but only drove home 40 minutes so far to beat the storms & get dinner started. No time for pics but did drive it hard to pass people driving 5 mph under the speed limit in the left lane of course so it saw speeds up to about 115-120. All holding air well so far but parked up on ramps in the shop until the overnight storms pass. Got quite a bit of work done today as well but will post in the “What did you do today thread” later bc the kids are hungry & we’re hangry @StingertimeNC

 

[crepr12]

Great news....not..I'm still on my all seasons with the stock rims...Plan was to have the PS4S mounted to my Apex rims this weekend...I'll wait for more info...

 

[Integra23]

I read somewhere that the bead area is much smaller on the PS4S. The contis should be fine.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Just mounted this tire in 285/35/18 but only drove home 40 minutes so far to beat the storms & get dinner started. No time for pics but did drive it hard to pass people driving 5 mph under the speed limit in the left lane of course so it saw speeds up to about 115-120. All holding air well so far but parked up on ramps in the shop until the overnight storms pass. Got quite a bit of work done today as well but will post in the “What did you do today thread” later bc the kids are hungry & we’re hangry @StingertimeNC

Keep your eye on it. I had no issues the first three days, then bam, complete air loss in the span of an hour, maybe 90 minutes. Then switched the new tire over, and that lasted a week before it started losing air again. Caught it when it was 10 lbs down. Filled it up to 44 psi and left it for two days, then just dropped it to 35 psi today. so far holding. Switching to Conti's anyway, as I feel like I can't trust it. If you make it through a few weeks, then you'll probably be fine. Best of luck!

That is one meaty setup!

 

[bpebler]

Keep your eye on it. I had no issues the first three days, then bam, complete air loss in the span of an hour, maybe 90 minutes. Then switched the new tire over, and that lasted a week before it started losing air again. Caught it when it was 10 lbs down. Filled it up to 44 psi and left it for two days, then just dropped it to 35 psi today. so far holding. Switching to Conti's anyway, as I feel like I can't trust it. If you make it through a few weeks, then you'll probably be fine. Best of luck!

That is one meaty setup!

I was going to ask you exactly that - how much time you had between having the air loss & adding air, etc. Thanks for the description! I’m hoping too man. I like my Conti’s but these do grip a lot better & I was excited to try them in 18”. I’d like to make it work somehow since these Apex wheel would be my winter/track wheels even if I got a second set of 18”. We’ll see! I really think Apex should put a disclaimer out for that.

 

[crepr12]

Made inquiry to Apex and the reply basically echoed what was posted here already.
They did send theses pics which helps illustrate how the PS4S bead is narrower than some other brands.
From this it's understandable that the knurling may effect bead seating.

copied from a bmw forum....smmfh......pic is misleading pressure is being applied on the Falken tire...Are they even the same rim type?..I figured more eyes may spot other issues

 

[StingertimeNC]

I agree that the picture is misleading. Pressure is not being applied in the same way.
However, experience is definitely showing that there is an issue of some sort.

One thing I will report is now that it's warmed up here, the wheel is holding air pressure. Three days and counting. Maybe the heat and extra pressure has caused the rubber to conform better? who knows. I'm still switching tire brands. Hope the Conti's work right out of the box.

Also, three of my tires/wheels haven't had any issues. Also others have had no issues with Michelins. Craziness!

 

[Integra23]

Made inquiry to Apex and the reply basically echoed what was posted here already.
They did send theses pics which helps illustrate how the PS4S bead is narrower than some other brands.
From this it's understandable that the knurling may effect bead seating.

copied from a bmw forum....smmfh......pic is misleading pressure is being applied on the Falken tire...Are they even the same rim type?..I figured more eyes may spot other issues

Yeah that's where I saw it.. couldn't remember

 

[bigmikevegas]

Man, I’m reading all this and I’m finally vindicated.

I fought with the tire installer, thought one of my wheels was bent, had issues for the first couple weeks to the point where I had buyers remorse with the vs-5rs, still have a bit of resentment and have been wanting to trade or sell mine tbh, they are great wheels but I just kind of want to be done with it.

I’m still using the PS4S, reseated all the tires and made sure they were good, running 35psi in the front and 33 in the rear, hasn’t been that much of an issue since it started getting warmer but one of my wheels is on the cusp of being out of balance, the tire place can’t do anything about it.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Man, I’m reading all this and I’m finally vindicated.

I fought with the tire installer, thought one of my wheels was bent, had issues for the first couple weeks to the point where I had buyers remorse with the vs-5rs, still have a bit of resentment and have been wanting to trade or sell mine tbh, they are great wheels but I just kind of want to be done with it.

I’m still using the PS4S without any issues, reseated all the tires and made sure they were good, running 35psi in the front and 33 in the rear.

Anyone want to trade wheels? Haha

So frustrating right? I feel exactly the same. was so pumped for these wheels, now the uncertainty just stinks. Air pressure is still holding as of today though.

 

[Krazydan19]

All these stores suck to hear. I really wanted to order a set of brushed clear. Now I have no idea what wheels to get….. no idea this was even a thing this day and age.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Honestly I think I would look for something without the knurling in the bead seat area. Before settling on these wheels, I searched through Enkei, Motegi, and on and on, looking for +45 offset in a 5 x 120 pattern, and their just wasn't much out there in the affordable realm, that also offered a significant weight reduction, and looked right on the car. If you aren't married to the Michelin tires I think these will be fine.

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