Type S versus new Model 3 Performance

[Integra23]

It doesn't quite work out that way though - you shouldn't have to wait 45 minutes for a charge during your commute because the car's been charging overnight at your house.

If you have the luxury of a 240v charging port at your residence sure, I unfortunately can't have this. Also running a 120v extension cord out to the street seems awkward and with only capturing a few miles of range per an hour pointless.
So yes, I would have to visit a charging station 2 days a week and a full charge takes 45+ minutes.

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[egxflash]

If you have the luxury of a 240v charging port at your residence sure, I unfortunately can't have this. Also running a 120v extension cord out to the street seems awkward and with only capturing a few miles of range per an hour pointless.
So yes, I would have to visit a charging station 2 days a week and a full charge takes 45+ minutes.

Ah yes, true that. I forget not everybody has garage access.

 

[SilverRocket]

Reviewers really need to start putting the weights of cars front and center. Basically if they are going to quote 0-60, they should follow it up with kgs/lbs. We shouldn't have to dig through to find it, or worse have to go to another site to validate what it is.

There's no two ways around it, a heavy car can use party tricks to corner and handle as good or even better (numerically) than a light car but at the end of the day it 1) is doing so at the expense chewing through the tires/brakes much faster and/or 2) the loss of feel because electronic wizardry is helping to beat physics that are to complex for only a steering wheel and pedals which can't control individual wheels.

It always comes down to case use and the ITS is not a 0-60 car. It's a light on its feet, engaging ode to driver perfection, not a mute gimmick filled acceleration champion. I agree with other in that I personally see it as too far a comparison to the ITS and you might as well also compare it to a mini van or pick up truck if we're just going by the price. Not shitting on those who would want one, just saying the Venn diagram of Tesla 3P buyers is just glancing and ITS buyer.

 

[nawfoo]

I want a Model S with a Model 3 front end. But I'm probably gonna go solar instead.

 

[E-Rod]

They are two different cars, for entirely different purposes and experiences.

I’m actually in the opposite situation, as of today. I had been dealing with an intermittent AC issue in my M3P and been feeling it might be time to get rid of it.

Nothing against the Tesla, it’s just not for me. It’s a boring, pedestrian car with a very muted driving experience. The 0-60 acceleration trick is just that, it gets old fast.

I nicknamed her Cinderella because I only want to take her out on bad weather or meh days. Otherwise I’m taking the NSX or S2000 out. It’s just not fun to drive the Tesla, at all.

I had been thinking of this for a few months now. I don’t want to put extra miles on my “babies” just because the Tesla is lame from a driving standpoint. I want a manual. I want involvement and the drama of driving.

My NA1 is getting some maintenance done and the local Acura dealer I frequent gave me an A-Spec Integra as a loaner while they work on it. I have to admit I am enjoying the overall feel even though it’s an auto, I can’t help but think how the Type-S in 6MT would feel.

I’m likely going to sell the M3P and buy a LCM Type-S in the coming month.

Even comparing the new NSX to the NA1/NA2 models, it’s entirely different. Two different experiences that you can’t really say they are the same other than the branding. I’ve driven the NC1, I don’t want it.

As someone who’s pessimistic about all modern cars, I have to say the Integra Type-S looks to be what I liked in the CTR but more “established”.

 

[dmd2005]

Here is my 2018 Model 3 performance and it is my daily. Have the full Mountain Pass Performance catalogue for suspension and it handles really nicely even with comfort coilovers. Currently have on the new Rays G025LC’s and it looks great. Doesn’t handle as well as my DE5 or FK8, but still fun to drive and reliable.

 

[creaturemachine]

I'll be done with gas once the Japanese makes come out with their solid state batteries. Never will it be a fucking Tesla though.

 

[Integra23]

I'll be done with gas once the Japanese makes come out with their solid state batteries. Never will it be a fucking Tesla though.

They do produce the most American made vehicles. Can't knock that.

 

[E-Rod]

I'll be done with gas once the Japanese makes come out with their solid state batteries. Never will it be a fucking Tesla though.

Why does the battery tech change your mind about and why a specific brand? I totally get why an EV as a driving machine will never be the same engagement as a manual combustion engine but just curious why this angle makes it more palatable

I do love battery tech and think solid state will help solve a lot of problems across the board (safety, charging speed, range). I just don’t think it works for making fun cars.

While Tesla gets a lot of hate, what other make is producing “quality EVs” that are without fault or better? Even Honda’s Prologue which is essentially a GM car with Honda badging, is sus to me.

 

[creaturemachine]

Why does the battery tech change your mind about and why a specific brand? I totally get why an EV as a driving machine will never be the same engagement as a manual combustion engine but just curious why this angle makes it more palatable

I do love battery tech and think solid state will help solve a lot of problems across the board (safety, charging speed, range). I just don’t think it works for making fun cars.

While Tesla gets a lot of hate, what other make is producing “quality EVs” that are without fault or better? Even Honda’s Prologue which is essentially a GM car with Honda badging, is sus to me.

Wifey has a VW ID.4, which is a good vehicle to a point, but it's obviously a first generation product. I'm almost convinced but for the fact that mainstream EVs are all rumpy dumpy SUVs, and that's partly because of all the battery they have to carry around. That and targeting the top selling segment out the gate is a depressing but wise choice by automakers. Once battery tech improves the fun cars will follow. As for the brand preference, I say once you go jap you don't go back.

They do produce the most American made vehicles. Can't knock that.

Maybe once Elon's freeze dried remains are catapulted onto Mars, or ideally toward the sun, will I ever consider one. Sadly that goon probably has a good number of years left in him to keep fucking things up.

 

[Q_subsub]

I haven't driven the refreshed model 3 yet, but I found the previous iteration to be just "meh". But the quality/trait of the car is probably not the biggest reason I am not getting a Tesla anytime soon.

As long as Elon the sorry excuse for a human being is at the helm of the company, I will take my money elsewhere.

As for the EV in general, I did strongly consider the Ioniq 5N until very recently, but then I went on my favorite mountain drive around my neck of the woods and realized that I need one that can do at least 250 miles on a charge.

 

[Wolfman]

Wife has a model 3 dual motor. A Tesla is a great non car person car. The tech is cool, if you can charge at home that's a bonus.
As for driving impressions, Tesla (unless the performance has way different suspension) its softer than ITS in the soften setting. Honestly if I am not doing a pull in the Tesla, driving it I get sleepy.
Sound system goes to the ITS, people talk poorly on Tesla build quality but ours is put together as good as any big oem.

They are both fun cars but in different ways, ( also the ITS has more storage room I think). If space isn't a issue get it sure. As for the range anxiety, do you travel more than 250 miles in a day?
Our family took ours on a road trip from San Diego to Laguna Secca ( Monterey) Which is like a 7-9 hour drive. The Tesla system plots out your charging area, and it charges honestly fast, usually our charge time as like 12 mins if that just enough to go to the bathroom. We have a 4 year old so the frequent stops every about 3-4 hours from driving was a nice break up.

EV are faster in a straight line for sure. Something with EV that doesn't get talked about is the wear on the tires, and require more frequent tire changes. And the tires aren't soft performance ones either.

With EV become popular, the ICE cars are going to be collectable. A 10 year old Model 3 will be junked, while a 10 year old ITS will still have marketability.

 

[Wolfman]

I'll be done with gas once the Japanese makes come out with their solid state batteries. Never will it be a fucking Tesla though.

Not sure if your following, but Toyota/Subaru are likely not going too hard in the EV market. I imaging Honda will only dip a model or two into it. From all the info out there it looks like they will stay ICE/hybrid as long as possible before switching to a alternative fuel, ( likely what Porsche is trying to do with the 911).

 

[mopar_man]

It never crossed my mind to cross-shop the ITS with any EV. I simply am not interested in them in the least bit.

 

[Integra23]

Why does the battery tech change your mind about and why a specific brand? I totally get why an EV as a driving machine will never be the same engagement as a manual combustion engine but just curious why this angle makes it more palatable

I do love battery tech and think solid state will help solve a lot of problems across the board (safety, charging speed, range). I just don’t think it works for making fun cars.

While Tesla gets a lot of hate, what other make is producing “quality EVs” that are without fault or better? Even Honda’s Prologue which is essentially a GM car with Honda badging, is sus to me.

Not sure if your following, but Toyota/Subaru are likely not going too hard in the EV market. I imaging Honda will only dip a model or two into it. From all the info out there it looks like they will stay ICE/hybrid as long as possible before switching to a alternative fuel, ( likely what Porsche is trying to do with the 911).

Toyota has been developing solidstate battery technology for years. This is where there could be a huge leap once this comes to market.

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