Cobb Accessport Coming for DE5 / FL5!

[Victorofhavoc]

not familiar with tunes here - what's emissions compliant mean?

Like, someone from me in Cali can take this to get smogged and it'll be fine?

Hondata/Phearable tunes - won't I pass smog with those based on the OBD read and sniff test?

Optronix is spot on. Unless it's carb compliant you won't pass a sniff test (or have the legal recourse that you should). HFC, you definitely won't pass visual or sniff.

If it was really easy to pump the boost, increase timing (aka lengthen the time of the piston compressing before the spark plug creates a spark, but before the gasoline is so far compressed that it combust on its own), AND keep emissions to the same level required to meet the epa emissions requirements, Honda would already have done it.

They have to account for the fact that most people will inadvertently put in low quality fuel, may live in a super cold or super hot climate, and that the average person doesn't really maintain their car the way they should... So that leads to creating margins for safety that others are willing to push a bit further.

Even if you choose not to tune for power, there are a few other benefits to the accessport. Data collection becomes really easy, flat foot shifting can be enabled, their traction control is a bit faster and superior, possibly reduction in rev hang (not on this so would require confirmation because rev hang is an emissions control), and a valet mode in case you drop your car off with the teenager at the restaurant or the dodos at the dealer who use your car to learn how to drive a manual.

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[egxflash]

Thanks for the explanation guys!

I think I'll stick to my original plan of sourcing a second ECU and tuning that then so I have a stock ECU for dealership visits during warranty period and smog.

 

[Wolfman]

Thanks for the explanation guys!

I think I'll stick to my original plan of sourcing a second ECU and tuning that then so I have a stock ECU for dealership visits during warranty period and smog.

I have a plan similiar. Do you know if we buy another ecu, do we have to flash it to a factory ecu or can we just ship out the ecu?

 

[JesterTuned]

I have a plan similiar. Do you know if we buy another ecu, do we have to flash it to a factory ecu or can we just ship out the ecu?

If you are cloning they need to clone it from your stock ecu.

 

[Wolfman]

If you are cloning they need to clone it from your stock ecu.

My plan is to buy this, https://www.acurapartsforless.com/oem-parts/acura-control-module-powertrain-378206pva03
and ship it to Hondata. Before I ship it to Hondata I am unclear if it needs to appear like a stock ecu, or if it can be a blank ecu as it would ship from acura.

 

[ITSDAD]

My plan is to buy this, https://www.acurapartsforless.com/oem-parts/acura-control-module-powertrain-378206pva03
and ship it to Hondata. Before I ship it to Hondata I am unclear if it needs to appear like a stock ecu, or if it can be a blank ecu as it would ship from acura.

You would need to ship both ECUs if you intend to clone.

The ECU you currently have installed is paired to your vehicle, the new ECU you purchase will not be.

The cloning process would allow the tuner to duplicate your ECU as a bone stock secondary, and unlock the other ECU for tuning etc.

There isnt really much benefit having a clone as you can flash your original ECU back to the stock tune.

 

[Wolfman]

You would need to ship both ECUs if you intend to clone.

The ECU you currently have installed is paired to your vehicle, the new ECU you purchase will not be.

The cloning process would allow the tuner to duplicate your ECU as a bone stock secondary, and unlock the other ECU for tuning etc.

There isnt really much benefit having a clone as you can flash your original ECU back to the stock tune.

Shipping off the ecu worries me a bit but maybe ill just order the factory and drive my ass up to Torrance and go to hondata directly since its like a 2 hour drive. ( I know I wouldn't need a second ecu but I just want something that the dealership knows I didnt fuck with, which was my logic)

 

[ITSDAD]

Shipping off the ecu worries me a bit but maybe ill just order the factory and drive my ass up to Torrance and go to hondata directly since its like a 2 hour drive. ( I know I wouldn't need a second ecu but I just want something that the dealership knows I didnt fuck with, which was my logic)

Yes, no worries just wanted to clarify before you sent a blank ECU out. I 100% agree with you regarding the shipping anxiety, if your ECU is lost you basically have a $50k paperweight, im not sure what the dealership options are for having a replacement ECU paired.

2 hours honestly isn't that bad, it'd be a pretty enjoyable drive in the ITS, the closest tuner to me is 7 hours away in PA LOL.

Totally get it with the ECU most tuners swear that Honda only sees a "counter" that reads number of "instances" and they cant tell exactly what those are, whether they be battery resets, or scan tool resets, however, its understandable that it would give any owners warranty denial anxiety. So def do whats best for you.

 

[JesterTuned]

Shipping off the ecu worries me a bit but maybe ill just order the factory and drive my ass up to Torrance and go to hondata directly since its like a 2 hour drive. ( I know I wouldn't need a second ecu but I just want something that the dealership knows I didnt fuck with, which was my logic)

I would call and ask first, since they were not doing in person unlocking and only by mail.

 

[Wolfman]

I would call and ask first, since they were not doing in person unlocking and only by mail.

ha thanks for the heads up, rather disappointing.

 

[egxflash]

Totally get it with the ECU most tuners swear that Honda only sees a "counter" that reads number of "instances" and they cant tell exactly what those are, whether they be battery resets, or scan tool resets, however, its understandable that it would give any owners warranty denial anxiety. So def do whats best for you.

This is what I've read as well - that there's some tell-tales on the history that indicate a tune was likely done. If the cost of not having that issue possibly arise is <$300, it's worth it to me.

 

[COBB Tuning]

A wild COBB Tuning appears!

Howdy everyone! We're going to be doing our best to answer any and all questions regarding our recent foray into the FL5 and DE5 platforms, as well as sharing some insight into future plans (at least the ones they'll let me get away with sharing )

@Victorofhavoc Thank you for making this thread! We're very excited to have tuning support for these cars, and while I can't talk too much about it right now, we are looking at further supporting this platform through some additional parts!

If anyone has any questions for us, feel free to post them here or PM us directly!

Zach@COBB

 

[COBB Tuning]

I still have my access port from my 2013 GTI. I need to see if I can reflash that one and just have them unlock the ecu. Could save me another $650.

Hey there!

Feel free to reach out to our Customer Service Team so we can get that set up for you! You can reach us at 866.922.3059 // [email protected] or you can reach out via live chat through our website!

Zach@COBB

 

[COBB Tuning]

Cobb tried with the 8th Civic and failed miserably. Many users were left with a limited tuning tool in their hands. This isn't the first time they've dropped support for products that barely sell. I don't see how this time will be any different. Hondata is far more advanced.

Cobb can't turn off codes. You can clear them, but you can't disable them. That secondary sensor DTC will keep showing up repeatedly after installing a downpipe.

There will be some learning needed to tune our platform. This isn't something where you can go to any Cobb tuner and expect great results.

But if you still insist on giving it a try because it saves you a few bucks upfront, all I have to say is "FAFO."

Hey NoelPR!

I think our initial foray into Honda deserves a bit of context. At that time (~2006-2010), the Si, RSX, 350Z, and RX8 (the cars often referenced in this era) were all naturally aspirated. Forced induction wasn't commonplace, and we were all experimenting with methods of making efficient power. Unfortunately, no matter the mod, the price per power gained on any of the N/A platforms exceeded what was marketably feasible. As time passed, the demand waned for N/A cars as more accessible, more easily modifiable turbocharged options came onto the scene.

Following the market, we shifted resources. It wasn't out of spite or abandonment. It was about following what our customers and advocates wanted and demanded. That brought us to what we're ubiquitously associated with today - small displacement, turbocharged engines, spanning domestic (Ford), Euro (VW, Audi, Porsche), and JDM (Mazda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Subaru). We have a tremendously wide breadth of support and knowledge, spanning cars generating 150HP to others making over 2000HP.

Thankfully, with Honda bringing a turbocharged powerplant to the FC1/FE1/FK8/FL5/DE5, we found a wonderful new arena to revisit with significant potential. As for our knowledge in this realm - sure, there are nuances to each and every platform we support, however, the Bosch MED17 controller used in the TypeR is shared between other COBB-supported vehicles within Porsche and Volkswagen, which we have a keen expertise in.

You're correct - we don't offer the ability to deactivate or disable any emissions-related DTCs (diagnostic trouble codes). Being a US-based company, regulatory compliance towards emissions isn't optional - it's required - for continued operation for all companies, big, small, and anywhere in between. As it pertains to other DTCs that aren't emissions-related, you still have full purview to tinker/modify.

With all of that said - we aren't the solution for everyone - I'll readily admit that! Competition is great, and it's what makes our industry exciting, innovative, and interesting. We are, however, the solution for those looking for an established, turnkey solution providing compliant hard parts and tuning solutions for some of our most expensive investments.

Throw any more questions or feedback our way, and we'll be happy to answer!

Zach@COBB

 

[NoelPR]

There isnt really much benefit having a clone as you can flash your original ECU back to the stock tune.

Biggest benefit is no traces of ECU tampering in case you want to try a warranty claim and Honda requests your ECU for further analysis.

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