Adaptive suspension error

[JC-RH]

Oh ok. I missed the “part in order” post up above. Keep us posted!

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[Type SSSHHH]

Oh ok. I missed the “part in order” post up above. Keep us posted!

just out of curiosity, does everyone who lowers their car get errors? This one or others? Like how does all the tech and sensors handle them?

 

[Victorofhavoc]

just out of curiosity, does everyone who lowers their car get errors? This one or others? Like how does all the tech and sensors handle them?

Unless you have a way to recode the static height and full droop (and as far as I'm aware that does not exist on this platform today), your suspension will believe that it's compressed already based on the level sensor. It will respond by adjusting the valving in the shock according to the compression curve that's mapped for the system from factory.

I went down the nightmare rabbit hole of modifying the electronic suspension on my gti with 5-6 different variations of springs, coilover sleeves, and even custom rates to keep the height stock but add rate. It didn't end well, and here I am. That car had the option of recode, and it certainly helped, but geometry is not modifiable without new subframe and control arms to change the pickup points so any lowering will reduce performance at the limit. Can't change physics.

 

[Type SSSHHH]

Seems not worth the hassle after reading all that lol

 

[Victorofhavoc]

Seems not worth the hassle after reading all that lol

That's a personal call. Some people really like the lowered look, and some advocate for the aero benefit of a lower car. There's also the option to bring performance back to stock or above by putting on a much stiffer front anti-roll bar and increasing camber. There's always knock on effects.

Truth be told, for performance, the best path up from the stock design would be a higher end coil (like a moton, mcs, ast) at stock height. Not everyone wants to hear that though

 

[Type SSSHHH]

I don’t much care about track performance, I don’t really do that kind of stuff with my cars. It’s all street driving. After all the cars I’ve had, about 350ish torque and hp is about as much power I can actually use on the streets. My 392 challenger had 485 hp, no way in hell could I use all that on the skreets out here without getting in serious trouble lol

 

[StingertimeNC]

springs will not cause any issues with check engine lights for damper control modules and the like. Tons of us have them with no issue at all.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

springs will not cause any issues with check engine lights for damper control modules and the like. Tons of us have them with no issue at all.

Thanks for clarifying, I didn't point that out. Errors shouldn't exist unless there's something mechanically or electrically wrong. My comments are around the latter two questions he had

 

[JC-RH]

Unless you have a way to recode the static height and full droop (and as far as I'm aware that does not exist on this platform today), your suspension will believe that it's compressed already based on the level sensor. It will respond by adjusting the valving in the shock according to the compression curve that's mapped for the system from factory.

I went down the nightmare rabbit hole of modifying the electronic suspension on my gti with 5-6 different variations of springs, coilover sleeves, and even custom rates to keep the height stock but add rate. It didn't end well, and here I am. That car had the option of recode, and it certainly helped, but geometry is not modifiable without new subframe and control arms to change the pickup points so any lowering will reduce performance at the limit. Can't change physics.

Can you confirm the Integra Type-S has level sensors? My understanding is that only the MDX Type-S has such level sensors due to the air suspension. Since my wife has one, I looked into it. They make shorter aftermarket links that will trick the car into a lower stance.

Based on what I’ve seen, the Integra (in all trims with ADS) just uses electric current to change the damping characteristics of the shock. This leads to a different feel from comfort to Sport.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

Can you confirm the Integra Type-S has level sensors? My understanding is that only the MDX Type-S has such level sensors due to the air suspension. Since my wife has one, I looked into it. They make shorter aftermarket links that will trick the car into a lower stance.

Based on what I’ve seen, the Integra (in all trims with ADS) just uses electric current to change the damping characteristics of the shock. This leads to a different feel from comfort to Sport.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

Sure thing! Here's a photo of the one on my car circled in red.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

Also, air suspension will be different from electronically valved shocks. Air is a bit dumber and doesn't have a compression curve because it can't change pressure so quickly. It sets static ranges in the bag and changes based on preset values like steps.

Electronic "adaptive" suspensions have a preplanned curve where the valve is moved as changes occur to impact both compression and rebound. Simply shortening the arm on the sensor can change your static range, but the range of compression and rebound can be negatively impacted, especially at full compression or full droop. It would be a risky change without seeing the actual curve values... Risky in the safety sense due to the resulting dynamic balance.

 

[StingertimeNC]

regardless of all of that, back to springs, shouldn't pose any problems electronically. Car looks so much better with them. Since you aren't tracking the car you don't have anything to worry about.

Well negative camber aside. you'll have just a bit more than factory, but only 2 degrees-ish.

 

[JC-RH]

Rear camber arms for the win.

 

[Type SSSHHH]

For everyone following this, the part came in, install in the morning. Will update after.

 

[Type SSSHHH]

So it took 3 1/2 hours. Everything seems to be working and in order.

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