ITS Hondata Jailbreak

[ZeroGSR]

Thanks for the info! I had planned on voiding warranty after a little time had passed, but this makes me feel like I should just go for it. I was also looking at the RV6 turbo, but hadn't researched a ton of others. The one you are talking about has certainly peaked my interest!

The R660 is a great turbo, it and the P700 will have a lot more headroom. That said, if you aren't planning on journeying past 500whp, I think the MHI would theoretically be a better fit. It should spool faster and be more responsive, plus it's literally OEM.

My preference would be to keep boost lower and run some high lift cams with springs in an ideal world. But that's mostly because I want my 8K RPM redline back

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[BlackCTR]

The R660 is a great turbo, it and the P700 will have a lot more headroom. That said, if you aren't planning on journeying past 500whp, I think the MHI would theoretically be a better fit. It should spool faster and be more responsive, plus it's literally OEM.

My preference would be to keep boost lower and run some high lift cams with springs in an ideal world. But that's mostly because I want my 8K RPM redline back

I definitely understand this point. I have a 2000 honda civic ek making 800whp on hondata and it revs out to 9600rpm. I like being able to rev to the moon. But it's fully built. I don't know if I would open up the k20C. Honda did a great job designing this platform. I might do it after it's paid off or something.

 

[bpebler]

The R660 is a great turbo, it and the P700 will have a lot more headroom. That said, if you aren't planning on journeying past 500whp, I think the MHI would theoretically be a better fit. It should spool faster and be more responsive, plus it's literally OEM.

My preference would be to keep boost lower and run some high lift cams with springs in an ideal world. But that's mostly because I want my 8K RPM redline back

And who wouldn't?!

So Honda produces the MHI? I will be looking the info up tonight.

 

[ZeroGSR]

And who wouldn't?!

So Honda produces the MHI? I will be looking the info up tonight.

Other way around, Mitsubishi (MHI) makes the stock turbo.

 

[bpebler]

You could always go the piggyback route. Keep it conservative and your less likely to void your warranty. People have differing opinions on them. But they can be removed without making permanent changes to the car. And if you buy a high quality one that has a literal proven track record with proven results. You could easily add 40-80hp depending how aggressive you get with it. Plus there's the ethical dilemma being dishonest/deceitful with the dealer/manufacturer.

But if you buy the right one and you use it correctly you could safely make some extra power and make the car more fun. If you want to message me directly and are interested I could make a recommendation for you.

Thank you! I will certainly take you up on that. I've never cared to have piggyback style in the past, but hear they've come a long way. I'll surely still consider it, but so far really wanted to go down that Hondata route. Plus the dealership manager loves Hondata & I saw on another thread that they are working on getting that process done at the dealerships now. Which I'm interested to see what the details on that are - probably best to send it out like Integra23 did, just to have that little shred of hope.

 

[bpebler]

Other way around, Mitsubishi (MHI) makes the stock turbo.

Man, I haven't heard that name in a while - short of discussing with some friends to look at used 3000gt's & GSX's for sale. I've been dabbling in domestics for too long.

 

[ZeroGSR]

I definitely understand this point. I have a 2000 honda civic ek making 800whp on hondata and it revs out to 9600rpm. I like being able to rev to the moon. But it's fully built. I don't know if I would open up the k20C. Honda did a great job designing this platform. I might do it after it's paid off or something.

Supposedly, the stock bottom end can take it, so would just require a head job. Now, that's the easy part, finding someone to properly tune it without a Motec is a completely different animal.

As for the piggyback, my 2 cents is you are on the right track to just skip it. I had to use a JB4 on my current car because no way was I dealing with Audi and a tune. Driving my car with the JB4 back to back with a friends stage 1 tune, my car was actually faster. That said, I would take the tune any day because it just felt more transformative, especially at partial throttle. JB4 on E30 with Launch Control was a lot of fun though

 

[slo_its]

Looks like they found what's responsible for the power difference.

 

[Azkyrie6]

Stock it dynos at 300/330 or so.
On stock turbo and fuel and with an intercooler/Down pipe 360hp/380trq is easily attainable.
With Hondata fuel kit and a RV6 turbo some have gotten around 500hp.

360-380 seems like a reasonable goal. 500hp sounds wild and I hope some people get it. I’m not a tuner nor do I have any real experience with it. I love the ITS and intend to keep it for a very long time. The main concern for me would be that while some high ceiling HP can be attained Id have no way of knowing if the car would have the longevity and reliability a Honda/Acura normally does.

I would imagine some mechanical components would have a shorter lifecycle with that much power; but I know there are some dedicated professionals out there that can tune the ITS to be both powerful and reliable . Very excited to see your journey into tuning!

 

[NoelPR]

You could always go the piggyback route. Keep it conservative and your less likely to void your warranty. People have differing opinions on them. But they can be removed without making permanent changes to the car. And if you buy a high quality one that has a literal proven track record with proven results. You could easily add 40-80hp depending how aggressive you get with it. Plus there's the ethical dilemma being dishonest/deceitful with the dealer/manufacturer.

But if you buy the right one and you use it correctly you could safely make some extra power and make the car more fun. If you want to message me directly and are interested I could make a recommendation for you.

The problem is that ECU save everything including info of the overboost caused by a piggyback. Isn’t really that safe either.

 

[BlackCTR]

The problem is that ECU save everything including info of the overboost caused by a piggyback. Isn’t really that safe either.

The reason piggybacks get a bad reputation is because people with no experience with tuning are doing it themselves. So the results aren't as reliable.

They're not setting them up properly and run too much boost and don't program the safeguards in.

With high quality tuners they have to be setup properly. Every engine is different.

 

[DukeFrisbee]

I think it completely depends on what your objectives are. I currently have a JB4 on a MK7.5 Golf R and it's flawless. By flawless I mean 3+ years with not a single CEL or misfire and the car is an absolute beast running a DSG specialized map. I can install/remove it in about 15 minutes. Through a BT connection and a phone I can monitor engine parameters datalog, change maps, and create cool gages. That said I'm sure there's another 15-20 HP to be had if I wanted to play with tables but the car is fast enough and I have no expertise in that area.

I also had a E90 335 that I tried several piggybacks and one flash tune and while the flash tune performed well, at the time the only way to correctly control methanol injection was through the piggyback's physical controller. Once dialed in, the flash was definitely less to worry about in terms of connections, parts failure, etc. and was ultimately what I settled on - but only when I wanted to simplify and make life easier.

If someone reliable made a piggyback that bumped HP to around the 350 range that had a very low likelihood of detection I'd probably prefer that to a flash - at least while the car is new. After a couple years I'd probably flash.

 

[Spec C]

Anyone running this yet?

 

[Integra23]

Anyone running this yet?

Hondata hasn't released a compatible Flash pro or tune yet. I'm still waiting

 

[Spec C]

Hondata hasn't released a compatible Flash pro or tune yet. I'm still waiting

Did they give you any sort of eta?

wonder when their fuel system will be released. Looked really impressive on that recent fl5 dyno they posted.

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