Has anyone seen any Clues drop?

[TigerEyeJazz]

Why go base (the linked configuration is a mid tier FWD A3 without everything possible added) German when you can have a Type S for the same or less money?

Comparison is done via the class that the model is in. Since this is a Sport Compact Sedan it goes toe to toe with the Base Germans. When that research report came out the guy mentioned a starting price of $33k which assuming that’s the base/a-spec would be about $2-3k lower then its competitors. Not to mention if we look at the Mid-Tier performance that is the Type S brand compared to M235i GC/S3 it would be significantly lower in price but will have a downside of No AWD which in the Mid-Tier performance class is actually a sought after feature. If Acura doesn’t come full swinging at it’s competition and doesn’t offer AWD and the 272 HP at the least then people won’t consider it. Also keep in mind the money maker for the Integra won’t be the Type S, the base/a-spec will be the one most will go for. That goes for all Acura models even the recent TLX S and MDX S.

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[bullitt]

Given what Audi, BMW, and MB charge for their FWD-based garbage, yes it would! For example:
http://www.audiusa.com/A5TFRUU4

Yes, ignore the AWD version starts at 36k....

You say up to 42k for a 252hp Integra would be a bargain... how would it be a bargain when the 306HP AWD S3 is just 3k more? The Golf R is 315HP, and AWD for 44k. Even if 5k less than a base S3 a 252HP FWD type-s Integra would NOT be a bargain and would be out classed by the Golf, Golf R AWD A3, and S3. When the Golf starts under 30K, and has 240hp, an Integra with 10HP more for 8K more is a laughing joke and the Golf is not even in the same tier the Integra should be fighting in.

Anything less than the 272HP 2.0T will be seen as a massive fail by Acura, unless the Type-S is under 38K, closer to 36k. With 272Hp it BETTER come in under 40k.

Let's also not forget a 250HP AWD Mazda 3 is under 32k., and a loaded one is 36k.

 

[bullitt]

Golf GTI 240hp - 29.6K (manual)
Integra 201HP - 30K (manual)
Mazda 6 250HP - 31.2K
Mazda 3 250Hp AWD - 31.6k
Integra A-Spec 201HP - 33.5K
Audi A3 201HP FWD - 34k
BMW 228 GC 228HP FWD - 35.7K
Audi A3 201HP AWD - 36K
BMW 228 GC 228HP AWD - 37.7K
Audi A4 261HP AWD - 40K
Golf R 315HP AWD - 43.6K (manual)
Audi S3 306HP AWD - 45k
BMW M235 301HP AWD - 45.5k

The base Integra is already a hard sell with its specs vs the other cars in the similar price range.

A 252HP Type-S priced between 38-42K would be the least power in its price range, and the ONLY non-AWD car in its class. The 2 closest cars in price under it would still have AWD, and one would have more power than the A-Spec. Heck on paper the Mazda 3 AWD is better than a 252hp Type-S and costs less than the A-Spec.

If the Type-S can manage to be 37-39K with 272HP then it can hold itself as the cheaper option than the higher end cars and the better power over the lower priced ones, but if it cracks 40K without the Type-R engine then for the few K more every other car makes itself a better buy having AWD.

Really the clear standout here is the Mazda 3 Turbo AWD as its specs compete with cars 4-8k more than it. Even loaded at 36k it's punching above its weight against the 40K A4 in specs. Then the Golf R that also competes with cars more than it, while still having a manual option.

If anything I think Acura would have been smart to have used a detuned Accord 2.0T, possibly 230-245HP as a BASE Integra engine, with an entry price of 31-32K, A-Spec around 34-35K and then a de-tuned R or up-tuned TLX 2.0T in the 280-290HP range for the Type-S while keeping it under 42K.

 

[RandomHondafan]

Hey guys. I've been a bit of a lurker on these fourms and I just created an account to join in on the discussion.

Why is all the talk about the Type S focused on the 272 HP TLX K20C6? The type R engine is there and for the 10th gen made 306hp and 295 torque. Wouldn't the obvious solution be to copy paste the CTR engine for the type S?

The car would then make sense alot of sense compared to it's competition. You'd have a premium appointed liftback that makes more power than the Cla 35, and is on par with that of an S3 for less money. The interior would likely be better than that of the Golf R/ Autobahn gti for a similar price and could take some market share too. If you're a type R buyer you'd get something that's likely toned down in terms of appearance but gives similar performance.

Acura already copied alot from the Civic line with the Integra, going away from that and giving it the 272 HP TLX engine makes 0 sense in my opinion.

 

[bullitt]

Hey guys. I've been a bit of a lurker on these fourms and I just created an account to join in on the discussion.

Why is all the talk about the Type S focused on the 272 HP TLX K20C6? The type R engine is there and for the 10th gen made 306hp and 295 torque. Wouldn't the obvious solution be to copy paste the CTR engine for the type S?

The car would then make sense alot of sense compared to it's competition. You'd have a premium appointed liftback that makes more power than the Cla 35, and is on par with that of an S3 for less money. The interior would likely be better than that of the Golf R/ Autobahn gti for a similar price and could take some market share too. If you're a type R buyer you'd get something that's likely toned down in terms of appearance but gives similar performance.

Acura already copied alot from the Civic line with the Integra, going away from that and giving it the 272 HP TLX engine makes 0 sense in my opinion.

Its due to Acura already having the 272HP 2.0T specific to them and the possibilty that Honda may keep R engines ONLY to R cars. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that having the Type-S be a "luxury" version of the CTR would be preferable, but it also means the Type-S would almost HAVE to be in the 42-45k range as the new CTR will likely be 38-39K.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Hey guys. I've been a bit of a lurker on these fourms and I just created an account to join in on the discussion.

Why is all the talk about the Type S focused on the 272 HP TLX K20C6? The type R engine is there and for the 10th gen made 306hp and 295 torque. Wouldn't the obvious solution be to copy paste the CTR engine for the type S?

The car would then make sense alot of sense compared to it's competition. You'd have a premium appointed liftback that makes more power than the Cla 35, and is on par with that of an S3 for less money. The interior would likely be better than that of the Golf R/ Autobahn gti for a similar price and could take some market share too. If you're a type R buyer you'd get something that's likely toned down in terms of appearance but gives similar performance.

Acura already copied alot from the Civic line with the Integra, going away from that and giving it the 272 HP TLX engine makes 0 sense in my opinion.

Reason why they won’t use the engine from the CTR is because Honda doesn’t want Type S to be competing with the Type R. Type R is always the pinnacle of performance in the Honda corporation of course other then NSX.

 

[bullitt]

Reason why they won’t use the engine from the CTR is because Honda doesn’t want Type S to be competing with the Type R. Type R is always the pinnacle of performance in the Honda corporation of course other then NSX.

There IS a possibility that the new R has a revised 2.0T with say randomly 315HP, and the S gets the older 306HP design possibly tweaked to just 301hp or 300.

It could be seen as logical that the R engines filter down to the Acura line. Sort of like the R is the long term testers for durability, then the tune is just tweaked to be a bite more "daily drivable happy" for the Acura Type-S when a new R engine is out, then a bit later the TSX gets it as its base engine. That way the R stays king and the engine gets an extended life as service in the Acura line.

 

[RandomHondafan]

Its due to Acura already having the 272HP 2.0T specific to them and the possibilty that Honda may keep R engines ONLY to R cars. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that having the Type-S be a "luxury" version of the CTR would be preferable, but it also means the Type-S would almost HAVE to be in the 42-45k range as the new CTR will likely be 38-39K.

Right but no other Acura in America uses the 1.5L engine either. I don't think it would be too hard for them to make/source the CTR version of the engine. Acura has been marking themselves as the performance version of Honda so why have noticably less performance than a Honda type R for your type s version

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

There IS a possibility that the new R has a revised 2.0T with say randomly 315HP, and the S gets the older 306HP design possibly tweaked to just 301hp or 300.

Could be but 315 hasn’t been confirmed. Only thing Honda confirmed was that it’s the most powerful Type R ever and we don’t know if that’s via HP or torque.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Right but no other Acura in America uses the 1.5L engine either. I don't think it would be too hard for them to make/source the CTR version of the engine. Acura has been marking themselves as the performance version of Honda so why have noticably less performance than a Honda type R for your type s version

Only reason the other don’t have it is because those models are to heavy for just a 1.5T. Also logically thinking the 1.5t might come with a CVT as an option.

 

[bullitt]

Could be but 315 hasn’t been confirmed. Only thing Honda confirmed was that it’s the most powerful Type R ever and we don’t know if that’s via HP or torque.

Yeah 315 was just a number I pulled out of my ass. I mean they could add 1HP or literally 0 peak but just tweak the power curve and make the statement.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Yeah 315 was just a number I pulled out of my ass. I mean they could add 1HP or literally 0 peak but just tweak the power curve and make the statement.

That’s true but still I feel like the full Type R engine won’t come. Plus let’s not forget auto only.

 

[bullitt]

That’s true but still I feel like the full Type R engine won’t come. Plus let’s not forget auto only.

Yeah I think the closest we'll even possibly get is a tweaked/retuned version of it that's got more Daily driving in mind than race track. or a hybrid of the 272hp/306hp versions.

 

[TigerEyeJazz]

Yeah I think the closest we'll even possibly get is a tweaked/retuned version of it that's got more Daily driving in mind than race track. or a hybrid of the 272hp/306hp versions.

Yeah which is what the Type S stands for. It sucks Acura can’t have Type R models.

 

[HKF]

Yes, ignore the AWD version starts at 36k....

You say up to 42k for a 252hp Integra would be a bargain... how would it be a bargain when the 306HP AWD S3 is just 3k more? The Golf R is 315HP, and AWD for 44k. Even if 5k less than a base S3 a 252HP FWD type-s Integra would NOT be a bargain and would be out classed by the Golf, Golf R AWD A3, and S3. When the Golf starts under 30K, and has 240hp, an Integra with 10HP more for 8K more is a laughing joke and the Golf is not even in the same tier the Integra should be fighting in.

Anything less than the 272HP 2.0T will be seen as a massive fail by Acura, unless the Type-S is under 38K, closer to 36k. With 272Hp it BETTER come in under 40k.

Let's also not forget a 250HP AWD Mazda 3 is under 32k., and a loaded one is 36k.

I’m comparing apples to apples. Why aren’t you?

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