So what exactly is the Data Sharing Notification we're getting, actually sharing ?

[Integra23]

Ooof
https://www.honda.com/privacy/connected-product-privacy-notice

We collect Covered Information provided to us or retrieved by us from your vehicle or smart device (including applications thereon). The categories of Covered Information we collect may include:

Identifiers such as your name, login username & password, device identifier, and contact information such as your address, email address, and phone number;
Audio electronic, visual, or similar information such as calls and other communication recordings and associated logs with our customer service team or service providers, such as recordings and logs of telephone calls, or communications using Connected Vehicle Technologies and Services;
Commercial Information such as:
Your vehicle information number (“VIN”);
"Vehicle Operation and Performance Information" such as:
Oil life, odometer mileage, fuel level, miles remaining to empty, dashboard warning lamps, tire pressure, battery life and, charge status, coolant temperature, engine rotations per minute, diagnostic trouble codes, and vehicle maintenance status;
Trip log information, including trip start time and end time, trip start and end location, trip distance, and fuel consumed;
Airbag system status and deployment information;
Information about Use of Connected Vehicle Technologies and Services such as
Search content;
HondaLink or AcuraLink account access information, including information about anyone making a call using the Connected Vehicle Technologies and Services;
Call history information, including the date, time, and duration of a call;
Navigation system settings and usage;
Audio system settings and usage;
Voice commands given (which may include audio recordings) of the command;
Connectivity systems (e.g., embedded TCU, Wi-Fi hotspot) settings and usage;
Driver Behavior Information such as vehicle speed, vehicle acceleration and deceleration, pedal positions, engine speed, direction, and time of travel, steering angle, yaw rate, vehicle control, and Honda Sensing/Acura Watch system settings and usage.
Precise Geolocation information meaning the exact location of your vehicle at a specific point in time or over a period of time accurate within an area equivalent to a circle with a radius of 1,850 feet or less.
Non-Precise Geolocation Information meaning the approximate location of your vehicle at a specific point in time or over a period of time accurate within an area greater than an area equivalent to a circle with a radius of 1,850 feet or less.

Article that has links for requesting your info from LexusNexis and Verisk
https://knowtechie.com/automaker-driver-data-insurance/

https://thedailyautomotive.com/how-to-disable-hondalink-tracking/

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[Gregg]

Gift link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/...e_code=1.b00.VoJj.OV-qyCPGZmpf&smid=url-share

And if you read to the end:

General Motors is not the only automaker sharing driving behavior. Kia, Subaru and Mitsubishi also contribute to the LexisNexis “Telematics Exchange,” a “portal for sharing consumer-approved connected car data with insurers.” As of 2022, the exchange, according to a LexisNexis news release, has “real-world driving behavior” collected “from over 10 million vehicles.”​

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Verisk also claims to have access to data from millions of vehicles and partnerships with major automakers, including Ford, Honda and Hyundai.​

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Two of these automakers said they were not sharing data or only limited data. Subaru shares odometer data with LexisNexis for Subaru customers who turn on Starlink and authorize that data be shared “when shopping for auto insurance,” said a spokesman, Dominick Infante.​

Ford “does not transmit any connected vehicle data to either partner,” said a spokesman, Alan Hall, but partnered with them “to explore ways to support customers” who want to take part in usage-based insurance programs. Ford will share driving behavior from a car directly with an insurance company, he said, when a customer gives explicit consent via an in-vehicle touch screen.​

The other automakers all have optional driver-coaching features in their apps — Kia, Mitsubishi and Hyundai have “Driving Score,” while Honda and Acura have “Driver Feedback” — that, when turned on, collect information about people’s mileage, speed, braking and acceleration that is then shared with LexisNexis or Verisk, the companies said in response to questions from The New York Times.​

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But that would not be evident or obvious to drivers using these features. In fact, before a Honda owner activates Driver Feedback, a screen titled “Respect for your Privacy” assures drivers that “your data will never be shared without your consent.” But it is shared — with Verisk, a fact disclosed in a more than 2,000-word “terms and conditions” screen that a driver needs to click “accept” on. (Kia, by contrast, does highlight its relationship with LexisNexis Risk Solutions on its website, and a spokesman said LexisNexis can’t share driving score data of Kia participants with insurers without additional consent.)​

Go here for all the info Lexi Nexi has on you;
https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/consumer

Go here for Verisk:
https://fcra.verisk.com/#/

Go here for a VIN report on your car:
https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/

Not sure if its totally useful, but may give you some data. You can request all the data these people have on you once a year, thanks to the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

 

[bpebler]

And if you read to the end:

General Motors is not the only automaker sharing driving behavior. Kia, Subaru and Mitsubishi also contribute to the LexisNexis “Telematics Exchange,” a “portal for sharing consumer-approved connected car data with insurers.” As of 2022, the exchange, according to a LexisNexis news release, has “real-world driving behavior” collected “from over 10 million vehicles.”​

​

Verisk also claims to have access to data from millions of vehicles and partnerships with major automakers, including Ford, Honda and Hyundai.​

​

Two of these automakers said they were not sharing data or only limited data. Subaru shares odometer data with LexisNexis for Subaru customers who turn on Starlink and authorize that data be shared “when shopping for auto insurance,” said a spokesman, Dominick Infante.​

Ford “does not transmit any connected vehicle data to either partner,” said a spokesman, Alan Hall, but partnered with them “to explore ways to support customers” who want to take part in usage-based insurance programs. Ford will share driving behavior from a car directly with an insurance company, he said, when a customer gives explicit consent via an in-vehicle touch screen.​

The other automakers all have optional driver-coaching features in their apps — Kia, Mitsubishi and Hyundai have “Driving Score,” while Honda and Acura have “Driver Feedback” — that, when turned on, collect information about people’s mileage, speed, braking and acceleration that is then shared with LexisNexis or Verisk, the companies said in response to questions from The New York Times.​

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But that would not be evident or obvious to drivers using these features. In fact, before a Honda owner activates Driver Feedback, a screen titled “Respect for your Privacy” assures drivers that “your data will never be shared without your consent.” But it is shared — with Verisk, a fact disclosed in a more than 2,000-word “terms and conditions” screen that a driver needs to click “accept” on. (Kia, by contrast, does highlight its relationship with LexisNexis Risk Solutions on its website, and a spokesman said LexisNexis can’t share driving score data of Kia participants with insurers without additional consent.)​

Go here for all the info Lexi Nexi has on you;
https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/consumer

Go here for Verisk:
https://fcra.verisk.com/#/

Go here for a VIN report on your car:
https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/

Not sure if its totally useful, but may give you some data. You can request all the data these people have on you once a year, thanks to the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

Great point. I read to the end as well & always have that stuff turned off. Although sometimes when the Acura safety message pops up & asks about contacting emergency services I have chosen “yes” but now I think that’s just another way to obtain the same info possibly & have been turning it off.

 

[StingertimeNC]

I wonder if this is why my insurance went up when I got this car. Hmmm.

 

[mopar_man]

Just went and turned mine off also. Glad I saw this.

 

[SilverRocket]

What if you never connect to the Internet, does it still transmit data in another fashion? I know I was extremely happy to find out the AcuraLink was severely limited in the Type S as compared to the A Spec, I figured we didn't have any of it.

WARNING! Soapbox rant ahead.

I always drive safely, but seldom do I drive lawfully because the laws remain unchanged for the realities of modern vehicles, (I believe) purposely to the benefit of government budgets. Most of the enforced laws are an easy cash cow, and quite literally highway robbery, instead of genuine public safety policy.

So if you drive like a dangerous moron doing 5 under the limit in the left lane causing road rage and increased risk for everyone around you, this reality doesn't get factored into the insurance algorithms (spyware) which only uses speed and acceleration to determine risk. But they don't care for reality either because they too can benefit financially from this safety fraud.

 

[Integra23]

What if you never connect to the Internet, does it still transmit data in another fashion? I know I was extremely happy to find out the AcuraLink was severely limited in the Type S as compared to the A Spec, I figured we didn't have any of it.

WARNING! Soapbox rant ahead.

I always drive safely, but seldom do I drive lawfully because the laws remain unchanged for the realities of modern vehicles, (I believe) purposely to the benefit of government budgets. Most of the enforced laws are an easy cash cow, and quite literally highway robbery, instead of genuine public safety policy.

So if you drive like a dangerous moron doing 5 under the limit in the left lane causing road rage and increased risk for everyone around you, this reality doesn't get factored into the insurance algorithms (spyware) which only uses speed and acceleration to determine risk. But they don't care for reality either because they too can benefit financially from this safety fraud.

Amen brother.

 

[IntegraSpeed]

If anyone tells me speeding is dangerous, i rightly point them towards the German Autobahn stats and ask them to explain why is it safer?, where no speed limit exists, yet far safer than any interstate. Why cos when you speed, you're focused. When you're cruising at 70mph you become lazy and lose concentration. Not only to mention there's little discipline. If you keep a safe distance between you and the car infront, and always check your shoulder before you move lane, you'll reduce i dunno 90% chance of having an accident. Though i speed, i'm always on the lookout for LEO and being really aware of my surroundings. I always assume that car that's pulling up to the junction is not paying attention, and i'm already taking precautions. Or if the car is a little drifty in front, i'm getting the heck out of its way. Perhaps this is partially down to riding motorcycles for the best part of my life. But the proof is in the pudding as they say, i've not had an accident since i was a teen, and i put a lot of miles on. Never at the legal speed limit either. unless i;m in a community where kids are playing, then i crawl... cos well speeders where kids play is stupid.... Anyway, with all that being said, i am starting to age, and i do feel my ability to make instantaneous decisions is on the decline. I've not so much as got a scratch on any of my cars for decades now, yet I'm sure I'd light the insurance high risk alert up light a Christmas tree, if they analyzed my driving behavior.

Also surely manuals have got to add a certain safety element, in that you're far more likely to be paying attention. Not paying attention is the biggest causes of accidents. Sure we can all get caught off guard, but you're at the very least seriously reducing your probabilities of having one. by simply paying attention to the road you're on.

So anyway, i went ahead and signed up to Vehicle Privacy, and had them act on my behalf to ensure they know i'm not giving my permission to share my info. goto https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/ and enter in your VIN. thx to poster Gregg for sharing this.

 

[egxflash]

To turn it off you got to
General Settings -> System -> Data Sharing

So to clarify, this is all we need to do in order to stop sharing?

 

[IntegraSpeed]

So to clarify, this is all we need to do in order to stop sharing?

I'd also goto https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/ and fill everything out to ensure they're being specifically told you're not allowing them to share. Bit like the do not call list.

 

[SilverRocket]

If anyone tells me speeding is dangerous, i rightly point them towards the German Autobahn stats and ask them to explain why is it safer?, where no speed limit exists, yet far safer than any interstate. Why cos when you speed, you're focused. When you're cruising at 70mph you become lazy and lose concentration. Not only to mention there's little discipline. If you keep a safe distance between you and the car infront, and always check your shoulder before you move lane, you'll reduce i dunno 90% chance of having an accident. Though i speed, i'm always on the lookout for LEO and being really aware of my surroundings. I always assume that car that's pulling up to the junction is not paying attention, and i'm already taking precautions. Or if the car is a little drifty in front, i'm getting the heck out of its way. Perhaps this is partially down to riding motorcycles for the best part of my life. But the proof is in the pudding as they say, i've not had an accident since i was a teen, and i put a lot of miles on. Never at the legal speed limit either. unless i;m in a community where kids are playing, then i crawl... cos well speeders where kids play is stupid.... Anyway, with all that being said, i am starting to age, and i do feel my ability to make instantaneous decisions is on the decline. I've not so much as got a scratch on any of my cars for decades now, yet I'm sure I'd light the insurance high risk alert up light a Christmas tree, if they analyzed my driving behavior.

Also surely manuals have got to add a certain safety element, in that you're far more likely to be paying attention. Not paying attention is the biggest causes of accidents. Sure we can all get caught off guard, but you're at the very least seriously reducing your probabilities of having one. by simply paying attention to the road you're on.

So anyway, i went ahead and signed up to Vehicle Privacy, and had them act on my behalf to ensure they know i'm not giving my permission to share my info. goto https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/ and enter in your VIN. thx to poster Gregg for sharing this.

I didn't know another me existed. LMAO, no seriously I agree with basically everything you wrote, even share a similar history.

I also dabbled in 2 wheeled vehicles which I guarantee improves your road awareness and gives you the ability to drive like no one sees you.

Also, if you really want to break the minds of the "Think of the Children" Karens, refer them to the Montana paradox. There was no speed limit during the daytime in Montana, road fatalities went down and seat belt usage went up, then they needed good old funding from uncle Sam whcih came with strings attached so the speed limit was reinstated and road statistics got worse again. That was the nail in the coffin for any doubt left in my mind that this is purely financial.

 

[egxflash]

If anyone tells me speeding is dangerous, i rightly point them towards the German Autobahn stats and ask them to explain why is it safer?, where no speed limit exists, yet far safer than any interstate. Why cos when you speed, you're focused. When you're cruising at 70mph you become lazy and lose concentration. Not only to mention there's little discipline. If you keep a safe distance between you and the car infront, and always check your shoulder before you move lane, you'll reduce i dunno 90% chance of having an accident. Though i speed, i'm always on the lookout for LEO and being really aware of my surroundings. I always assume that car that's pulling up to the junction is not paying attention, and i'm already taking precautions. Or if the car is a little drifty in front, i'm getting the heck out of its way. Perhaps this is partially down to riding motorcycles for the best part of my life. But the proof is in the pudding as they say, i've not had an accident since i was a teen, and i put a lot of miles on. Never at the legal speed limit either. unless i;m in a community where kids are playing, then i crawl... cos well speeders where kids play is stupid.... Anyway, with all that being said, i am starting to age, and i do feel my ability to make instantaneous decisions is on the decline. I've not so much as got a scratch on any of my cars for decades now, yet I'm sure I'd light the insurance high risk alert up light a Christmas tree, if they analyzed my driving behavior.

Also surely manuals have got to add a certain safety element, in that you're far more likely to be paying attention. Not paying attention is the biggest causes of accidents. Sure we can all get caught off guard, but you're at the very least seriously reducing your probabilities of having one. by simply paying attention to the road you're on.

So anyway, i went ahead and signed up to Vehicle Privacy, and had them act on my behalf to ensure they know i'm not giving my permission to share my info. goto https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/ and enter in your VIN. thx to poster Gregg for sharing this.

To an extent, I agree. But I think the true problem lies in the democratization of driving. It's too easy for anybody to drive in the US. I've often said that about requiring everybody to drive manual to at least offer some driver engagement vs driving a vehicle being akin to operating an appliance for some.

Granted, I see the other side where the US is so spread out, and public transportation sucks so people *need* to drive...

In either case, I am just pointing out a problem, not necessarily offering a good solution

 

[Integra23]

If anyone tells me speeding is dangerous, i rightly point them towards the German Autobahn stats and ask them to explain why is it safer?, where no speed limit exists, yet far safer than any interstate. Why cos when you speed, you're focused. When you're cruising at 70mph you become lazy and lose concentration. Not only to mention there's little discipline. If you keep a safe distance between you and the car infront, and always check your shoulder before you move lane, you'll reduce i dunno 90% chance of having an accident. Though i speed, i'm always on the lookout for LEO and being really aware of my surroundings. I always assume that car that's pulling up to the junction is not paying attention, and i'm already taking precautions. Or if the car is a little drifty in front, i'm getting the heck out of its way. Perhaps this is partially down to riding motorcycles for the best part of my life. But the proof is in the pudding as they say, i've not had an accident since i was a teen, and i put a lot of miles on. Never at the legal speed limit either. unless i;m in a community where kids are playing, then i crawl... cos well speeders where kids play is stupid.... Anyway, with all that being said, i am starting to age, and i do feel my ability to make instantaneous decisions is on the decline. I've not so much as got a scratch on any of my cars for decades now, yet I'm sure I'd light the insurance high risk alert up light a Christmas tree, if they analyzed my driving behavior.

Also surely manuals have got to add a certain safety element, in that you're far more likely to be paying attention. Not paying attention is the biggest causes of accidents. Sure we can all get caught off guard, but you're at the very least seriously reducing your probabilities of having one. by simply paying attention to the road you're on.

So anyway, i went ahead and signed up to Vehicle Privacy, and had them act on my behalf to ensure they know i'm not giving my permission to share my info. goto https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/ and enter in your VIN. thx to poster Gregg for sharing this.

Same sentiment and have had 2 wheel vehicles in the past. Thought I would be getting down votes posting something like this.lol

 

[QUIKAG]

This is major BS. I turned off "smart driver" on my 3 GM vehicles via the GM app as soon as I heard about this from a friend. My 3 GM vehicles are a 5 Blackwing I've had for over 2.5 years and I've done 180mph in that car several times. Other is my new C8 that I've luckily only had for a few weeks. Last one is a '23 Silverao with 12k miles and many of those miles are 80-100mph with the 3.0 Duramax diesel spinning at a whopping 2000rpm gliding down the road in Texas.

So, if my insurance company gets this data from LexisNexis, I'm totally f-d. I already pay an a**load for insurance on my six cars, I wonder if they've already priced in some of this information that was shared without my actual knowledge until recently.

Total BS. I'm going to turn it off on the ITS now too next time I drive it. Such horsecrap our cars are ratting us out. I haven't had an accident in a very long time. I drive fast (I like to say I drive efficiently ), but safe.

 

[nix6speed]

Just a guess, if you have GPS turned on with your phone there's tracking happening for this whether you're aware or not.

My way around this is only carrying a pager and use the internet at my local library to post on these forums. YMMV

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