Summer tires, winter weather

[E~Dogg]

Hello, guess I'll give my shot.

Bought Aug '23 and ran the summer PS4s all the way to Oct/Nov '24. ITS is my daily, it's my everything (at least for traveling purposes). It lives outside minus my 8-10hr shifts at work while sitting in a temp-controlled garage and its parked on the street mostly everywhere else.

Live in Jersey, commute to NYC daily. Entering the '23-'24 winter season, I took my chances with the stock PS4s as I didn't care to throw down $1200 for the DWSs if it wasn't necessary (debatable). I did worry when the temps did dip below 45F at first but after repeated inspections in <20F weather with no visual or ride quality warnings, the worries stopped. I felt the tires were stiffer and created more road noise, but no white-knuckle moments when it came to traction. Rain, no problem, just steer clear of the puddles/pools. Snow wasn't much of a factor that season, but we did get ONE snowfall of maybe 1/4" of snow and that is the MAXIMUM amount of snow the PS4s can "handle". You will have some wheel spin if do anything but a slow rolling start for a green light. Obviously don't drive like an idiot and send it any corners. Slow and steady wins the race.

Last fall, tires were finally looking shot. One had a small bubble, but it was mostly thread wear overall. Picked up some Ironman iMove Gen 3 AS to just get me through this winter. Hopefully I'll have figured if I want a new wheel/tire setup this summer or keep it stock again.

Drive safe.

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[Type SSSHHH]

Hello, guess I'll give my shot.

Bought Aug '23 and ran the summer PS4s all the way to Oct/Nov '24. ITS is my daily, it's my everything (at least for traveling purposes). It lives outside minus my 8-10hr shifts at work while sitting in a temp-controlled garage and its parked on the street mostly everywhere else.

Live in Jersey, commute to NYC daily. Entering the '23-'24 winter season, I took my chances with the stock PS4s as I didn't care to throw down $1200 for the DWSs if it wasn't necessary (debatable). I did worry when the temps did dip below 45F at first but after repeated inspections in <20F weather with no visual or ride quality warnings, the worries stopped. I felt the tires were stiffer and created more road noise, but no white-knuckle moments when it came to traction. Rain, no problem, just steer clear of the puddles/pools. Snow wasn't much of a factor that season, but we did get ONE snowfall of maybe 1/4" of snow and that is the MAXIMUM amount of snow the PS4s can "handle". You will have some wheel spin if do anything but a slow rolling start for a green light. Obviously don't drive like an idiot and send it any corners. Slow and steady wins the race.

Last fall, tires were finally looking shot. One had a small bubble, but it was mostly thread wear overall. Picked up some Ironman iMove Gen 3 AS to just get me through this winter. Hopefully I'll have figured if I want a new wheel/tire setup this summer or keep it stock again.

Drive safe.

just out of curiosity how many miles did you get outta your PS4’s? They say 30k miles but somehow I doubt that’s accurate

 

[E~Dogg]

just out of curiosity how many miles did you get outta your PS4’s? They say 30k miles but somehow I doubt that’s accurate

Don't have exact but between 13-14k when I swapped.

 

[whtciv2k]

just out of curiosity how many miles did you get outta your PS4’s? They say 30k miles but somehow I doubt that’s accurate

I’ve had these tires on several different cars. At most, I got like 18k miles. On my old genesis coupe track, lasted 12k. I don’t track my cars and this was all street driving in the mid-Atlantic area.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

I’ve had these tires on several different cars. At most, I got like 18k miles. On my old genesis coupe track, lasted 12k. I don’t track my cars and this was all street driving in the mid-Atlantic area.

Did you try to have Michelin warranty them?

They've lasted 25-30k for me on other cars. About 17k on my wife's q7 now and still at 5.5/32nds or so, and the Q7 has far more torque and hook off the line (where a lot of wear occurs). Not to mention weight.

When I took my summers off at 4.5k mi, the wear was 1/32nd or so, and that includes one day at the track, which is surprising since I've eaten a whole set of new ps4s on a cayman during a private day before. Granted the alignment is aggressive on the street and the factory toe I had was way out of spec in the its. It was aligned at 1200 miles by the dealer with the alignment pins pulled before the track event. 0 toe front and 1/32nd toe in in rear, -1.9ish front camber and -1.8 rear.

I'd recommend an alignment for any new or used car purchase... Just look at the "before" on this car. It's pretty atrocious.

 

[Braun]

I lived in the Sierra Nevada foothills with my last car which was an Audi S5 with fantastic AWD. I got caught in a little snow once when I still had summer tires on, and it's not so much the traction but the stopping/braking and stability that is affected with summer tires. If you are going to keep the car for a few years, then invest in a set of winter tires that fit the stock rims.

 

[Type SSSHHH]

I lived in the Sierra Nevada foothills with my last car which was an Audi S5 with fantastic AWD. I got caught in a little snow once when I still had summer tires on, and it's not so much the traction but the stopping/braking and stability that is affected with summer tires. If you are going to keep the car for a few years, then invest in a set of winter tires that fit the stock rims.

I went with all season ps4’s

 

[whtciv2k]

I had a model 3 performance with summer tires. Since it was awd figured it was good to go. Was almost worse than my rwd car with A/S tires. Learned my lesson. As far as temps go, I haven’t had an issue with tires cracking and going bad from aggressive driving sub 20 degree temps. But I also was being OVERLY aggressive. I agree that it could damage the tires as summer tires are a softer compound meant for warmer weather.

 

[whtciv2k]

Did you try to have Michelin warranty them?

They've lasted 25-30k for me on other cars. About 17k on my wife's q7 now and still at 5.5/32nds or so, and the Q7 has far more torque and hook off the line (where a lot of wear occurs). Not to mention weight.

When I took my summers off at 4.5k mi, the wear was 1/32nd or so, and that includes one day at the track, which is surprising since I've eaten a whole set of new ps4s on a cayman during a private day before. Granted the alignment is aggressive on the street and the factory toe I had was way out of spec in the its. It was aligned at 1200 miles by the dealer with the alignment pins pulled before the track event. 0 toe front and 1/32nd toe in in rear, -1.9ish front camber and -1.8 rear.

I'd recommend an alignment for any new or used car purchase... Just look at the "before" on this car. It's pretty atrocious.

I am not 100% sure, but I think I’ve seen worse premature wear with out of spec toe than out of spec camber.

 

[Brittania]

I went with all season ps4’s

My PS4 A/S just passed their first and only real test Friday night driving through sleet /freezing rain in Raleigh. Roads weren't terrible, but I saw numerous other drivers having a rough go of it while I barely noticed any slippage, driving cautiously of course.

 

[Type SSSHHH]

My PS4 A/S just passed their first and only real test Friday night driving through sleet /freezing rain in Raleigh. Roads weren't terrible, but I saw numerous other drivers having a rough go of it while I barely noticed any slippage, driving cautiously of course.

I had them on my 392 challenger. They were so good I decided I’ll just get them again on my ITS. I watched a good YouTube video where this dude drove a snow course with summer/AS/winter tires. The all seasons were like 18 seconds slower around the course. And the summers I do t even think he was able to complete it cause of the incline part. Couldn’t make it up. Was a great video

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