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bpebler
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I’m just gonna go PRL HVI. It’ll fit plus Derek mentioned today the Eventuri numbers appeared to fall flat over 450hp & that could interfere with how much you could squeeze out of a turbo upgrade.
Integra23
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Yeah that filter seams small and it's shoved back in the air box with that tube it's attached to. That tube looks like it's getting air directed to it instead of the filter. strange configuration.
bpebler
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It does look straight up beautiful though, I’ll give them that. Humza from Unity Performance chimed in on his experience on the FK8 as well, which I’ll share a screenshot of since everyone can benefit from his experience. Different platform of course, but as we know very similar. I’m sure it will work great for those that want it, especially if they want a nice looking intake without going to a turbo upgrade or something like that where 450whp isn’t desirable.
I’ll take the ugliest looking thing if it’s the most functional, however. Lol I reeeeeally wish 27won would make one for the Type S like their one in development for the 1.5. Corey with Two Step said even if it was in the works with them to not expect it for another couple years at least.
At their asking price, it’s only a couple hundred away from the Kuro turbo which I’m hungry for.
evanescent03
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Looks good!! I just can’t bring myself to do it …. Seems like a huge pita! nice job tho and glad the project didn’tToday I installed the overpriced Black emblems. TypeS emblems were super easy. Heat gun and a fishing line came right off. The front TypeS does NOT require bumper removal, but it is the only one that has two guide pins which the Black one does not have. It's easy enough to center it though.
Rear A mark wasn't bad either. I took a good 15 minutes figuring if I wanted to remove the black vinyl so that it's Black on Gold, vs Black on Black. Either looked good, but figured i'd try something different and I like the Black on Gold look.
Front A annoyingly is help by two Philips screws in the back. There is NO WAY to get access to those screws unless you remove the entire front bumper.
I used the AType instructions for guidance. I did everything like the manual said, every clip and bolt released. I got as far as getting it mostly off, at least enough for me to disconnect the 5 sensors. Maybe I needed two people, but the bottom was refusing to slide off and I was afraid something would break. Since the top side was partially removed already, I saw that there was enough of an opening for me to squeeze my hand in with a tiny screwdriver to unscrew the A emblem.
I held on to the two tiny screws for dear life as I know if it fell, I had no choice but to remove the bumper haha. Either case I got it on and happy with results.
Which track? First event ever or just with this car? Any upgrades to track pads/tires?
I’m excited for track season to start!
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nix6speed
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It was my first instructed HPDE. Track was MSR Houston with Driver's Edge. Excellent program for new drivers. Car is bone stock. Castrol SRF didn't arrive until day before and ran out of time to do any prep so I took it easy with threshold braking. It was wet most of the first day which also helped on tire/brake wear. 8x 20 minute sessions over two days with classroom time in between. I was definitely overwhelmed but feel confident I can improve next time out.
optronix
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I feel like two days for a first time HPDE is way too much. IMHO. I'm usually starting to get worn out at around the half day mark, and the most I can take is 3-4 20 minute sessions. Stuff a bunch of instruction on top of it and for me it's 5-10x worse!
Glad you enjoyed it but yeah, I think it is a perfectly normal sensation to feel overwhelmed with that much immersion for your very first time in a track setting. I view it sort of like lifting weights. Lifting weights is great, but especially if it's your first time for a while or ever, you can absolutely overdo it- and once you reach a certain point you're not really getting a benefit any more.
As for the Eventuri, it's not 1997 anymore, why are we expecting to pay the same for an intake as we did back then? $1600 is not a crazy number for a quality part.
The thing about the "big power" doesn't bother me either, I've come to the conclusion long ago that this car already has enough power, a bit more would be fun but this is not a platform that I feel would benefit from over 400 whp at the absolute most.
What I will say though is that Eventuri has a reputation that implies they are the absolute best. They took FOREVER to get this part to market, I have to assume at least some due diligence was applied. I have enough time to let others figure out its shortcomings if it indeed has any (including if it is indeed a direct fit for the DE5)... but as I mentioned, $1600 is not a prohibitive amount if its sound and performance can match its looks.
Glad you enjoyed it but yeah, I think it is a perfectly normal sensation to feel overwhelmed with that much immersion for your very first time in a track setting. I view it sort of like lifting weights. Lifting weights is great, but especially if it's your first time for a while or ever, you can absolutely overdo it- and once you reach a certain point you're not really getting a benefit any more.
As for the Eventuri, it's not 1997 anymore, why are we expecting to pay the same for an intake as we did back then? $1600 is not a crazy number for a quality part.
The thing about the "big power" doesn't bother me either, I've come to the conclusion long ago that this car already has enough power, a bit more would be fun but this is not a platform that I feel would benefit from over 400 whp at the absolute most.
What I will say though is that Eventuri has a reputation that implies they are the absolute best. They took FOREVER to get this part to market, I have to assume at least some due diligence was applied. I have enough time to let others figure out its shortcomings if it indeed has any (including if it is indeed a direct fit for the DE5)... but as I mentioned, $1600 is not a prohibitive amount if its sound and performance can match its looks.
Integra23
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I agree it is a beautiful piece and will look great alongside my pracworks intake manifold. I'm waiting for some numbers on those running larger turbos.
ABPDE5
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I think, unfair as it may be, a lot of the outcry is more so due to the fact that there isn't a real budget option available* than it is due to this one being overpriced. (*Maybe there's the Pipercross, but it's an open element filter, and... yeah).
As a result, there are probably a lot of folks who want an intake either: (i) just for the noise; or (ii) just to change something, for the sake of changing something (maybe because they want to make their car different, or maybe because the aftermarket parts MUST be better than the OEM ones /S).
And... they just don't have an option that isn't well over a grand at this point. Combine that with the fact that the OEM intake is demonstrably well engineered, and it can be hard to justify spending funds on the Eventuri or Gruppem, when they're likely just aesthetic noise-makers, and a tune, tires, or a downpipe, etc. would net you more performance / $.
My bet is all the consternation around "luxury" intake pricing will go away if / when PRL gets theirs to market.
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Integra23
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PRL is supposed to drop next month and could perform better on the top end. List is supposed to be under $500. The FK8 unit is price at $399. Could be a real value if the numbers are right.
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ABPDE5
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Yep -- just edited my post, re: keep in mind Eventuri's price includes an inlet pipe; PRL's does not, and their pipe is $500 or so. Just something to consider for everyone when comparing.
Edit: scratch all this, lol.
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Integra23
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Turbo inlet pipe is a separate cost with eventuri and the fk8 version runs $800.
So $1600+$800=$2400 for full Eventuri setup.
FK8 example since the FL5 inlet isn't available
bpebler
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Now if you have points stashed with Two Step Performance & use them when there’s a sale, that significantly reduces the price. I got my TIP for $400 ($100 off) using my points around Black Friday. I have more points to use when the intake launches, but there won’t be a sale on that obviously. Overall with Two Steps point system I’ve saved around $500 so far (or got a product or 2 for free the way I see it).
Biggest factor for me is the range of usability. Overall the PRL combo will be significantly less than the Eventuri/GruppeM/Blitz & continue to support gains north of 450whp. I don’t mind spending coin, I just can’t justify around triple the price that doesn’t meet the same gains in my head. I will enjoy seeing this in everyone else’s engine bay in photos though - it looks incredible.
Regarding the amount of power on this platform, this can all be controlled by your tuner with different maps. Similar to the comfort, sport, sport+, individual switch. For example, you can have a street 1 map, Street 2 map, track 1 map, track 2 map, valet mode. All with different throttle responses, different boost level commands in each of their respective gears, & different “feels” of the car. So maybe your Track 1 map is great for autoX, while Track 2 map is great for HDPE. You can choose low boost or high boost accordingly. I’ll attach a couple screenshots from the pro’s in case any find it helpful.
Biggest factor for me is the range of usability. Overall the PRL combo will be significantly less than the Eventuri/GruppeM/Blitz & continue to support gains north of 450whp. I don’t mind spending coin, I just can’t justify around triple the price that doesn’t meet the same gains in my head. I will enjoy seeing this in everyone else’s engine bay in photos though - it looks incredible.
Regarding the amount of power on this platform, this can all be controlled by your tuner with different maps. Similar to the comfort, sport, sport+, individual switch. For example, you can have a street 1 map, Street 2 map, track 1 map, track 2 map, valet mode. All with different throttle responses, different boost level commands in each of their respective gears, & different “feels” of the car. So maybe your Track 1 map is great for autoX, while Track 2 map is great for HDPE. You can choose low boost or high boost accordingly. I’ll attach a couple screenshots from the pro’s in case any find it helpful.
ABPDE5
Senior Member
Thanks for pointing this out! I was unaware of that. Will edit my post to prevent misleading others.Turbo inlet pipe is a separate cost with eventuri and the fk8 version runs $800.
So $1600+$800=$2400 for full Eventuri setup.
FK8 example since the FL5 inlet isn't available
optronix
Senior Member
Honestly what's interesting to me is how much I'm uninterested in power gains for this platform.
When people start talking turbo upgrades, I'm literally just like:
I've just had enough fast cars that I've come to realize how pointless it is to have anything over 400 hp on the street... and I don't go to the track enough to justify it for that purpose either.
Intakes and exhaust are interesting to me however. I just probably won't actually do anything for quite some time, up to and including never.
When people start talking turbo upgrades, I'm literally just like:
I've just had enough fast cars that I've come to realize how pointless it is to have anything over 400 hp on the street... and I don't go to the track enough to justify it for that purpose either.
Intakes and exhaust are interesting to me however. I just probably won't actually do anything for quite some time, up to and including never.
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