Back on Track

[Victorofhavoc]

This is that bullshit, right here. I ran into similar eye-opening remarks from my dealer yesterday.

First, I figured I'd just ask if they'd be willing to flush the brakes with different fluid, or even install an aftermarket exhaust. I could hear the confusion audibly on the other end of the phone, as the service advisor stuttered through a response that roughly equated to "we don't do that here". Then I just asked if they'd be willing to use oil I brought to do the oil change with. I got another non-answer but at least somewhat optimistic tone that they "might" be willing to do that but would have to double-check with the service manager.

This all points back to these Acura dealers just not having any experience whatsoever dealing with an enthusiast customer. They either don't know or want to shift blame at any reference to track usage or, apparently, aftermarket parts.

I think we all collectively should just start right now with setting an expectation early with the dealer that we intend to USE the car as Acura has marketed it, and they need to start wrapping their minds around purging the thought of track usage negating any warranty claim.

Also I think with this comes the acknowledgement that sharing any details about track usage with the service department at your local dealer will almost certainly result in enhanced scrutiny and quite likely a very negative experience overall.

Also- I think I've decided that instead of doubling down and buying a bunch of parts right now, I'm going to invest in a modest set of new tools. NOTHING about owning this car has reminded me so sharply that it's not a Porsche than the 3.5 minute conversation I had with an Acura service advisor.

Yeah, I'm going to reach out to acura/Honda directly and ask if the ctr and its are actually track capable or if the marketing is lying. Not in those words obviously, but that's the direction I'm headed so the dealer, acura and I can have open and honest conversations. I am not hiding anything, and I certainly don't intend to. I simply intend to use the car as they marketed it is capable of being used.

Things like pads and fluid, especially when they're built TO SPEC. Should never cause issues. The factory fill having significant contamination in the reservoir, could most certainly cause issues, so I can only imagine what may happen to someone who doesn't know otherwise and takes it out on track.

I'm also just disappointed in the way they handle things. Even the loaner car requires me checking off and signing multiple liability things each time. Can't leave the metro, GPS tracked, if I'm late I get charged 95$ per day, fuel has to be identical range when I come back, and of course I'm liable for everything. When I drop my car off at the audi dealer they don't ask for anything. They just throw me some keys and say "we'll call you when it's ready, come back at your convenience."

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[optronix]

Yeah, I'm going to reach out to acura/Honda directly and ask if the ctr and its are actually track capable or if the marketing is lying. Not in those words obviously, but that's the direction I'm headed so the dealer, acura and I can have open and honest conversations. I am not hiding anything, and I certainly don't intend to. I simply intend to use the car as they marketed it is capable of being used.

Things like pads and fluid, especially when they're built TO SPEC. Should never cause issues. The factory fill having significant contamination in the reservoir, could most certainly cause issues, so I can only imagine what may happen to someone who doesn't know otherwise and takes it out on track.

I'm also just disappointed in the way they handle things. Even the loaner car requires me checking off and signing multiple liability things each time. Can't leave the metro, GPS tracked, if I'm late I get charged 95$ per day, fuel has to be identical range when I come back, and of course I'm liable for everything. When I drop my car off at the audi dealer they don't ask for anything. They just throw me some keys and say "we'll call you when it's ready, come back at your convenience."

Yeah it's a different experience for sure. Up to this point I'd been happy with the service department- but I can see now that it was only because I was buying a new car that I got the royal treatment.

They put me in a loaner for almost two weeks while I waited for my car to arrive. They wanted my trade immediately and I just told them I needed a car to drive until this one came in and they happily obliged with a nearly-new RDX with 300 miles on it.

When I asked about a loaner yesterday after finally deciding I need to get my weird light throttle "wastegate" noise at least looked at, they told me the car needed to be diagnosed first and then approved by the service manager for me to get a loaner. But they could send me home in an Uber while I wait?

Porsche, it's never a question. If they don't have a loaner available they let you know when they'll have one. For anything you need them to look at. Audi, BMW were also the same.

However- Porsche also wanted $1800 for a "20k service" that consisted of an oil and filter change. So there's that.

Speaking of BMW, my experience has shown that they do indeed honor the track expectations for the M cars. I cooked my steel brakes on my F82 pretty badly- not catastrophic to the point of damage but they vibrated horribly after half a day at Summit Point- and they replaced the rotors and pads under warranty, no questions asked. Acura NEEDS to step up to the plate here with at least the same level of expectation.

Unless they pull the whole thing about the Type S being for "Street"... and it's only the CTR that gets the service pass for track use. How hilarious would that be?

 

[StingertimeNC]

BS gents, although not surprising. It's a lack of training and Acura not setting the right expectations at the dealer level. Just no excuse for this crap. Dealers are so short-sighted. It has to be how the employees on the service side are paid, and even incentivized, to sell more service at full labor prices, do less warranty work, etc. etc.

Just make the customer happy and look at the long term customer relationship and all the referral business that can, and will, come in from that relationship. It's a wonder that anybody even gets their car serviced at a dealer. You can't trust them. Always a let down.

 

[PRDE5]

Stuff like this is why I don’t go to the dealership unless something major breaks under warranty. I’ve had my fair share of bad experiences. For the most part they are used to dealing with people that are not car enthusiasts, that really don’t care about things we care about.

 

[optronix]

Especially Acura. Aside from the NSX-which from what I understand requires specific techs trained and certified on that car specifically which is an extremely low production volume model so may as well not even exist really- there is no other car that could be labeled an enthusiast car in their entire range. Even the base Integra, I don't have data in front of me of course but I have to imagine that less than 5% of owners are really doing anything to that car that warrants extra detail that an enthusiast would expect. EVERYTHING else in the model lineup is in no way an enthusiast car.

Anyone ever seen a TLX at the track?

I feel like I need to find one of these NSX techs and just latch on to them individually for any and all work I need done at the dealer.

This shit makes me miss BMW. Never thought I'd say that.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

Yeah, maybe I've just been spoiled by, vw, audi, Porsche, and BMW. Porsche and audi have both replaced brake pads without even asking. Certainly none of them have EVER denied simply scanning the car to catch the lower level codes.

I expect better out of Acura/Honda, so we'll see what they say when I contact them.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

My car might just be cursed...

Dropped it off at my ppf place this morning to fix a few issues and redo some areas, and when they did their walk around, they found a bunch of dents on both sides of the car on the structural roof pillar.

It wasn't there on the 24th when I washed the car after the day at i29 raceway, the dealer had it on the 26th, and other than sitting 5ft from other cars in a grass lot at a concert venue (next to a model y) on the 27th, it's been in my garage. I have no idea how so many dents got there and only affected the pillar. Their all pretty much longitudinal, and slightly angular. ‍

 

[ender_ong]

I'm digging the location of the camera. Just knowing myself, it seems like more effort than I'd be willing to manifest to procure the pvc, cut it to length, and "install" it every time I head to the track or autocross...

I may explore some other options.

I’m currently using this to mount my phone during track time: Headrest Phone/Tablet Mount

will swap to this one when I install the Recaro coming in a couple months: Single side headrest phone/tablet mount

Incoming Recaro:

 

[Victorofhavoc]

And then I find things like this that have me questioning if it's an inherent platform issue...

https://www.driveaccord.net/threads...dentations-on-roof-side-pillars.547651/page-4

 

[StingertimeNC]

Wow, seems like it is a Honda issue from the looks of that thread. That stinks. Anybody else having this trouble. I'm afraid to push on mine!

 

[StingertimeNC]

I’m currently using this to mount my phone during track time: Headrest Phone/Tablet Mount

will swap to this one when I install the Recaro coming in a couple months: Single side headrest phone/tablet mount

Incoming Recaro:

Keep us posted on install, seat brackets and or rails you're using, etc. How are you dealing with airbag lights and such. Can't wait to see the results.

 

[optronix]

And then I find things like this that have me questioning if it's an inherent platform issue...

https://www.driveaccord.net/threads...dentations-on-roof-side-pillars.547651/page-4

If I got my blood pressure up for every random issue someone has on the internet...

 

[Victorofhavoc]

If I got my blood pressure up for every random issue someone has on the internet...

Oh I know, but having random and unexplainable dents on both sides of my car, I googled for how a dent like this could happen. The second thing that popped up was that thread. I didn’t use a brand preferenced search term, so the Honda part caught my attention.

On mine, there was no impact marking. Same size dents, and all relatively longitudinal. Hard to see in photos, but it looks like someone just took a minibat to the car.

I just can't explain how you dent that area without damaging the creased area or the roof, with such a weird dent pattern.

 

[Victorofhavoc]

Dent guy is working on the car and pulled out his dent light. It looks like the ENTIRE roof pillar has longitudinal dents from the front window, all the way back to the end of the hatch area. The ppf people didn't even touch that area.

I have no idea how these could have occurred. I have barely driven the car since washing it on the 24th. And the night before the ppf people noticed it, I took my family down the road to a restaurant where I know I got both kids out of the car and my face was right next to the worst of the dents. I would certainly have noticed if they were 3" from my face. The ppf people have evidence the dents existed BEFORE they started any work.

These dents somehow magically appeared while the car was in my garage, along both sides of the car, and ONLY on the vertical surfaces of the entire braced structure of the A to C roof pillar.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Craziness!

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